On this “Face the Nation” broadcast, moderated by Nancy Cordes:
- Nikki Haley, former U.S. ambassador to the U.N.
- North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper
- Home International Affairs Committee chairman Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas
- Rep. Jim Himes, Democrat of Connecticut
Click on right here to browse full transcripts of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: As Vice President Harris and former President Trump put together to face off for the primary time in Philadelphia, an unique dialog with Trump’s prime major rival, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve got endorsed – endorsed Donald Trump. You spoke on the conference, however are you going to marketing campaign for him?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY (R-South Carolina): You realize, he is aware of I am on standby.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: With slightly below two months till Election Day, Nikki Haley shares her recommendation on what the Republican nominees ought to be centered on to win.
Harris ally North Carolina’s Democratic Governor Roy Cooper may even be part of us. His state has gone crimson the final three presidential elections. What wouldn’t it take for his occasion to win it this November?
Plus: The U.S. uncovers a sprawling effort by Russia to intrude with the 2024 elections. We are going to discuss with the highest Democrat on the Home Intelligence Committee, Connecticut’s Jim Himes.
And the chair of the Home International Affairs Committee, Michael McCaul, shall be right here. He is revealing the outcomes of his three-year investigation into the Biden administration’s withdrawal from Afghanistan.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
We’re beginning a consequential week for each the Trump and Harris campaigns. With simply 58 days till Election Day, each are making ready for his or her first debate. Will it change a race that continues to be neck-and-neck?
We start this morning with our new CBS Battleground Tracker ballot of the three key states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, the place the race is actually even. Vice President
Kamala Harris is up only one level in Michigan, tied with former President Trump in Pennsylvania, and up two factors in Wisconsin.
Senior White Home correspondent Weijia Jiang is in a type of states, Pennsylvania, and has the newest from the path.
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WEIJIA JIANG (voice-over): In Pittsburgh…
GIRL: Can I’ve a hug?
KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of america (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): Sure, come right here. After all.
WEIJIA JIANG: … Vice President Harris took a break from intense debate preps to buy with voters.
QUESTION: Are you able to face Donald Trump?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure, I’m.
WEIJIA JIANG: Harris was requested what she needs to get throughout through the debate.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: It is time to flip the web page on the divisiveness. It is time to deliver our nation collectively, chart a brand new approach ahead.
WEIJIA JIANG: Rallying in Wisconsin, Trump had a unique message.
DONALD TRUMP (Former President of america (R) and Present U.S. Presidential Candidate): We’re run by silly folks, silly, silly folks.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And we discovered that out on the debate with Joe. How did that work out? And we’ll discover it out once more on Tuesday night time. Is anyone going to be watching?
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WEIJIA JIANG: Harris’ aides say she plans to concentrate on coverage, not persona.
Our new ballot exhibits Harris is aggressive, partly as a result of voters suppose she is going to assist the center class, and he or she has an edge on making housing extra reasonably priced. However Trump is doing higher with those that say the financial system and inflation are main points, particularly holding favor amongst non-college and white voters.
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WEIJIA JIANG: Sources aware of Trump’s debate prep say it has been casual, however he’s going over particular coverage proposals.
A senior Harris marketing campaign official says they consider Trump thrives below vivid lights and on nationwide TV, and so they count on he shall be prepared – Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is Weijia Jiang in Pittsburgh.
We caught up with former Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley on Friday. The previous ambassador and South Carolina governor defined why she is supporting Trump, however additionally, you will hear her views on what she thinks he ought to be centered on in these final two months till Election Day.
We started by asking if she is going to marketing campaign with him.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned you are on standby. In different phrases, you have not been requested to marketing campaign.
Are you advising in any respect on his debate preparation or chatting with the marketing campaign?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY (R-South Carolina): I am not.
And, you realize, that is his alternative. He can – you realize, no matter he decides to do together with his marketing campaign, he can try this. However after I known as him again in June, I informed him I used to be supportive. I feel the groups have talked to one another somewhat bit, however there hasn’t been an ask as of but. However, you realize, ought to he ask, I am comfortable to be useful.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Donald Trump simply completed a press convention, three- quarters of which was about grievances associated to that previous conviction associated to alleged sexual assault.
I do know, whenever you have been campaigning, you mentioned you had no purpose actually to query the findings of the jury associated to the defamation case introduced by E. Jean Carroll.
I am not asking you concerning the specifics of the case, but when that is the main focus of a press convention for a presidential candidate, A, is it the perfect use of his time, and what’s the message to feminine voters to be going via this once more?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: Properly, I feel the main focus for me is on coverage. You realize, I feel I’ve all the time…
MARGARET BRENNAN: However he is the candidate.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: No.
And I’ve all the time mentioned, look, if I assumed Biden or Trump have been nice candidates, I would not have run for president. I ran as a result of I assumed I may do a greater job. I do not…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You do not suppose he is a superb candidate?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I feel he’s the Republican nominee, and I feel, put him in opposition to Kamala Harris, who’s the Democrat nominee. For me, it is not a query.
Now, do I agree together with his fashion? Do I agree together with his method? Do I agree together with his communications? No. After I have a look at the insurance policies and the way they have an effect on my household and the way I feel they’ll have an effect on the nation, that is the place I am going again and I have a look at the variations.
I imply, that is – these are the candidates we’ve got been given. You have a look at Kamala Harris, and it is fairly outstanding. She by no means had a debate, she by no means had a major, she by no means had anybody vote for her, and so they principally took her, and, in 48 hours, they put her again on the market, and he or she was this complete new candidate.
However the actuality is, she has a report. The administration has a report. Trump has a report. And so neither are excellent. Neither are very best.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So let’s discuss concerning the insurance policies, then.
One of many issues that we all know is hurting American households is the excessive price of childcare. The Federal Reserve mentioned mother and father usually spend 50 to 70 p.c as a lot per thirty days on childcare as they do on their housing fee, which is often the biggest month-to-month expense.
But yesterday, Donald Trump mentioned:
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of america (R) and Present U.S. Presidential Candidate): As a lot as childcare is talked about as being costly, it is, comparatively talking, not very costly.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That sounds out of contact with the financial statistics.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I imply, childcare could be very costly. I – I do know, simply even on the time that I had little children, I labored simply to pay for our childcare.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, what a part of his coverage do you want on that? Since you mentioned, in your insurance policies, that is what made you again him.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: It’s. And what I preferred have been the tax cuts that he had, that Kamala needs to take away. You realize, when he…
MARGARET BRENNAN: She needs to additionally develop the kid tax credit score.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: However that is the issue.
Once you get into youngster tax credit, you are selecting winners and losers. You realize what I might moderately? I might moderately them simply lower middle-class taxes throughout the board. Households want extra money for housing, for childcare, for fuel, for every part simply to stay their life.
I am wanting on the details. Beneath Harris, they raised taxes. Beneath Trump, they lower taxes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you do not like childcare tax credit that Trump’s proposing both?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I feel we’ve got to do one thing to assist childcare. What I might moderately say is, moderately than you saying we’ll give childcare tax credit, assist all people. Lower middle-class taxes.
That is actually what folks want. Allow them to have extra money, whether or not it is housing, whether or not it is hire, whether or not it is groceries, whether or not it is fuel, whether or not it is childcare. They want some aid. And so whether or not – I am – I do not oppose a childcare tax credit score, however I feel slicing middle-class taxes throughout the board is best.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So we all know that, since Vice President Harris entered the race, the hole amongst ladies voters has grown to a now double-digit lead for her over Donald Trump, in keeping with our CBS most up-to-date survey.
So how do they shut that? As a result of, simply as lately as final week, J.D. Vance mentioned he is disoriented and disturbed that the top of essentially the most highly effective academics union within the nation does not have a single youngster.
He continues to say issues that actually are highlighted as being offensive to ladies. That’s going to harm, will not it, with feminine voters?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: It is not useful. It is not useful.
I imply…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is he an – an efficient messenger for the insurance policies you say they’re stronger on?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I feel that the insurance policies – look, you’ll be able to both have a look at fashion or you’ll be able to have a look at substance.
I select, as a voter, to take a look at substance. The fashion, I’ll say…
MARGARET BRENNAN: What is the substance of that, although?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: The substance is slicing taxes, making housing extra reasonably priced, immigration, nationwide safety. That is the substance.
The fashion is, no, it isn’t useful to speak about whether or not ladies have youngsters or whether or not they do not. It is not useful to say any of these issues which might be personality-driven or the rest. I’ve – I’ve mentioned that.
And I’ll proceed to say to Republicans, cease it. That is not useful. You realize, if you wish to discuss issues, keep on with coverage. People are good. They do not want all of this different noise to distract them. They simply wish to know the way you are going to assist them.
They usually’re – you realize, what I might counsel to each American, have a look at the data of every of them. You have bought some stark contrasts there. You realize, Harris was not sturdy on the border. Trump was sturdy on the border. Harris needed to get rid of fracking. Now she’s taking that again, however vitality manufacturing was not as sturdy because it was below the Trump administration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is at a report excessive proper now, really.
However whenever you take heed to among the issues – you mentioned you do not like handouts, and also you’re involved about form of the fiscal conservatism right here.
President – former President Trump pledged to mandate that the federal government and insurance coverage firms pay for fertilization remedies, or IVF remedies, for girls. Is {that a} coverage you’d help, that insurance coverage firms or the federal authorities pay for that?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: It is not a coverage I help, any greater than it is a coverage of Kamala Harris to take away personal medical health insurance or Medicare for All.
Look, on the finish of the day, when…
MARGARET BRENNAN: However that is the top of the Republican Get together. That is the Republican nominee.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I do know, however, Margaret, you even have to speak concerning the head of the Democrat Get together.
You realize, do not – do not simply have a look at one and never have a look at the opposite. Once you discuss Medicare for All, whenever you discuss eradicating personal medical health insurance, you would possibly as properly be Canada. You would possibly as properly have a look at socialist well being care.
We by no means wish to get to that time, since you’re not going to get IVF or the rest, most cancers medicine or the rest in terms of that. Once you have a look at well being care, we have to know – each of my youngsters have been merchandise of fertility. We wish that choice to be out there to everybody.
However the way in which you do it’s, you do not mandate protection. As an alternative, you go and also you guarantee that protection is accessible. And also you just be sure you’re doing every part you’ll be able to to make it reasonably priced.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’d nonetheless urge individuals who establish as Republican to help insurance policies that you simply say aren’t conservative?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I do not agree with Trump 100% of the time.
I haven’t got to love him or agree with him 100% of the time to know that life for People can be higher below the insurance policies the place we’ve got sturdy immigration, the place we’ve got legislation and order, the place we’ve got an financial system the place we are able to have a look at alternatives, the place we have got nationwide safety that’s sturdy.
I needn’t sit there and like somebody to resolve these insurance policies are higher. I do have a look at…
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is grading on a curve.
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FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: It is not grading on a curve. I feel it is the way you have a look at it, as a result of I might ask you, how are folks going to be higher going via the following 4 years like we’ve got the final 4 years?
Any American will let you know their life shouldn’t be higher. So our aim is, how can we make life higher? As an alternative of creating it concerning the personalities, can we not begin saying, what can we all agree about on the insurance policies?
As a result of there are some severe coverage considerations.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about China, as a result of it is a very severe menace image around the globe proper now.
You have been simply in Taiwan for the primary time.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Former President Trump mentioned Taiwan ought to pay us for protection, and the U.S. isn’t any totally different than an insurance coverage firm.
How involved have been Taiwanese officers by that remark?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: To begin with, after I went to Taiwan, I feel it is necessary that People know what I noticed.
I met with the president, the vice chairman, the protection minister. We have been on a army base. We met with their intelligence officers. The lifetime of a Taiwanese each single day, initially, they’ve 30 million cyberattacks a month in Taiwan. They’ve aggression from air and sea by the Chinese language each single week.
I needed to see if Taiwan, in the event that they have been victims, ready for a handout, or what they have been saying. And I used to be so impressed, as a result of they are not ready for assist from anybody. Ten years in the past, their Chinese language funding was 84 p.c.
Right now, their Chinese language funding is 11 p.c. They’re proactively not investing in China. Their obligatory army service beginning at 18 years outdated, that they had began at 4 months. They’ve now elevated it. It’s important to serve militarily, at 18, for a yr.
They’ve – you realize, whereas slicing that funding, they’re preparing militarily. They’re doing joint coaching with America, which is implausible.
In the case of our allies, in terms of freedom-loving international locations, we have to be the perfect buddy to them that we are able to, as a result of, if China takes Taiwan, what we noticed with Russia and Ukraine, it affected 1 p.c of GDP, and also you noticed the financial system shake from that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: If China takes Taiwan, it could be 10 p.c of the worldwide GDP. That is $10 trillion, in comparison with the $1 trillion in Ukraine. We have to care about that. We have to care about it from freedom. We have to care about it from the financial system. We have to care about it from safety.
And we have to care about the truth that if Russia takes Ukraine and China takes Taiwan, we won’t assume we’ll be OK if we stay in a silo, as a result of that is not the case.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However what you simply laid out is a coverage that is strongly in protection of Taiwan.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: It’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you saying that the following president ought to commit? As a result of neither J.D. Vance nor Donald Trump have mentioned that they might ship U.S. troops to defend Taiwan.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: I do not suppose we have to ship U.S. troops to defend Taiwan. Taiwan does not – Taiwan does…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Joe Biden mentioned he would as president, informed my colleague at 60 Minutes Scott Pelley that.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: Taiwan doesn’t need troops. What Taiwan is asking for is joint army coaching and to associate with us in order that they’ll make weapons to defend themselves, and so they need intelligence-sharing.
Look, I am the hus – I am the spouse of a fight veteran. The very last thing we wish to do is simply preserve fascinated about sending troops. If something, we wish to stop warfare. One of the simplest ways to forestall warfare from China is to start out arming Taiwan now and ensuring that they are prepared.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once you have been campaigning, you mentioned, when President Trump left workplace, China was militarily stronger than earlier than. I imply, they’ve solely elevated that, by way of their nuclear growth and their growth of their army.
You mentioned Trump didn’t put us on a stronger army foothold in Asia. He didn’t cease all of the theft of American know-how. He had ethical weak spot in making an attempt to befriend President Xi.
If that is the specter of this century, how are you going to say he’s the commander in chief you’ll be able to help now?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: As a result of I have a look at what occurred below the Harris administration. You have a look at this example.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However aren’t we supposed to guage that report?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: No, we’ll choose each data.
So let’s first have a look at the Harris administration. Russia by no means would have invaded Ukraine. China wouldn’t be circling…
MARGARET BRENNAN: They have been in Ukraine. They didn’t withdraw from Ukraine.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: No, properly, go additional. They would not have began warfare with Ukraine and China wouldn’t have gotten extra aggressive with Taiwan if we had not – would haven’t had that fall in Afghanistan.
It is not that we left Afghanistan. It is how we left it. It was harmful, it was careless and it was weak, and we’ve got suffered ever since. We did not have any conflicts below Trump. I used to be his U.N. ambassador. We put extra sanctions on Russia. We saved China at bay. We let our allies know that they have been – that they have been protected. All of that occurred.
Now, what I’ll say to each Trump and Harris is, the worst factor we are able to do is stroll again from our associates proper now. And so we have to be a buddy to Ukraine, not make them beg. We have to be a buddy to Taiwan, put together in order that China does not do it. We have to be a buddy to Israel and never say we’ll provide you with after which take it again, like what Harris and Biden did.
We have to start out being associates with our allies. I’ll say it till I am blue within the face. America can by no means be so smug to suppose we do not want associates. And you must be a buddy to get a buddy.
So, look, there are not any excellent administrations right here, by any means, however Trump was positively stronger when it got here to nationwide safety, versus the Harris administration. And that is only a truth.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However how are you going to be assured that he shall be? You are speaking about 4 extra years, when he’s saying issues like this. He is speaking about like a safety racket for Taiwan. They must pay us.
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FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: No.
And I would be the first one to say that is not the way in which it ought to be. I – look, I am all the time going to let you know the reality on the place I feel.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: This isn’t blind help for anybody. That is saying, do not sit there and threaten Taiwan that you’ll – on being associates.
That is, they’ve 50 p.c of our chip manufacturing, they’re a buddy and ally to us, and so they’re a democracy. Let’s have it – if something, that is what I might inform Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. What you must do with Taiwan is assist them economically, militarily, diplomatically.
Economically, we should always have a free commerce settlement with Taiwan, with out query.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … talks towards that.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: Diplomatically, we should always – we should always require that Taiwan grow to be a member within the United Nations and within the World Well being Group.
And, militarily, we should always do no matter we are able to to joint-exercise, share intelligence, and do what we are able to.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve got talked concerning the isolationism within the occasion, and it troubles you.
This previous week, Justice Division introduced a case in opposition to Russia relating to a $10 million disinformation marketing campaign through which it was utilizing, partly, right-wing media. Do you suppose that this isolationist streak is being fueled by the Russian state, the issues you might be diagnosing proper now that you’re additionally saying Donald Trump is echoing indirectly?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: Margaret, that is larger than that. That is the tip of the iceberg.
To begin with, have a look at what occurred in Hochul’s workplace with the Chinese language affect and what was taking place there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The governor right here in New York.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: Take a look at the murder-for-hire plot on U.S. soil, which I used to be named in, by Iran.
Take a look at the Russian disinformation, which did not begin this yr. This has been happening for years. Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, to some extent, they’ve spent years on the most cost effective type of warfare is, which is, how do you divide People and trigger chaos?
They’ve finished that. After I was operating my presidential marketing campaign, the FBI had a separate listening to with me to let me know that Iran was meddling in our – influencing the election via with our marketing campaign. They have been…
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MARGARET BRENNAN: To harm you or that will help you?
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: To harm me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: To harm you.
FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY: You realize, the homicide for plot – rent plot named me. That is by Iran. This has been going for a very long time, and People have to get up.
Do not simply have a look at Russia. Do not simply have a look at China. Do not simply have a look at Iran. The most important lesson we have to take is, whenever you have a look at social media, I wager you a bigger proportion of these are overseas engagements. And after I was in Taiwan, they might let you know they might have a look at Fb. Any time Taiwan put one thing out, it was suppressed. Something China put out, it was performed up.
Why is that? Our social media firms owe People from a nationwide safety perspective. What number of of those overseas bots are dividing us? Each little bit of our authorities, influencers, press and media have to say, what number of of those overseas influencers are shopping for folks? And what are we doing to guard us?
Nothing. Nobody’s speaking about TikTok. Biden and Trump each mentioned they have been in opposition to TikTok. They’re each on it now. Kamala is on it now. China loves that. America must get up in terms of overseas actors.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Face the Nation shall be again in a single minute.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we go now to the governor, Roy Cooper, of North Carolina, a battleground state.
He joins us from Raleigh.
Good morning to you, Governor.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER (D-North Carolina): Good morning, Margaret. Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Vice President Harris shall be in your state Thursday. We all know it is a consequential week. Debates might be catastrophic. They are often inconsequential.
Do you anticipate the common North Carolinian is open to persuasion and even watching what occurs on that debate stage this week?
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: There is not any query about it.
It is shut right here in North Carolina. It all the time is. This was Biden/Harris’ closes loss in 2020, just one.3 p.c. So the truth that Kamala Harris, as vice chairman of america, has been to North Carolina 17 instances exhibits that she cares about our state.
She is aware of that we’re in play. And she or he is aware of that if she wins North Carolina, she is the following president of america, as a result of Trump has no different pathway.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it profitable or is it simply decreasing the quantity by which they lose rural voters? You’ve got a really giant rural inhabitants in your state.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: And, you realize, issues that the Biden/Harris administration has finished has helped our rural inhabitants.
I’ve been in a position to develop Medicaid right here in North Carolina. That is helped working rural North Carolinians. We’re getting high-speed Web all throughout our state. That is one thing that individuals are starting to seek out out about. And she or he’s bought a plan.
She’s bought a plan to decrease prices for North Carolinians, significantly on this childcare area, drug pricing. We’re excited concerning the financial plan that she has.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: And I feel North Carolinians will reply to it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, I wish to ask you extra about a few of that, as a result of our newest CBS polling exhibits it’s a very, very tight race, and it’s the concern of financial system and inflation that’s weighing essentially the most on voters.
So we’ll discuss that in a couple of minutes, once we take this break. And we’ll come again to complete it with you, Governor.
Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: CBS could have particular protection of the presidential debate on Tuesday, with a preview at 8:00 p.m. Jap. The stay simulcast of the talk will start at 9:00 p.m., adopted by knowledgeable evaluation.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We shall be proper again with North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper, Home International Relations Chair Michael McCaul, and the highest Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, Jim Himes.
Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We proceed our dialog with the Democratic governor of North Carolina, Roy Cooper.
Governor, our CBS polling exhibits that is nonetheless a aggressive race for Donald Trump, largely due to these voters who simply do not suppose they’re higher off financially proper now. Their incomes aren’t maintaining with inflation. That is very true amongst non-college and white and dealing class voters.
How do Democrats change this notion?
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: Properly, I feel that very same ballot, Margaret, mentioned that individuals had extra belief in Kamala Harris to assist the center class. And as she spends time getting out her financial plan of shifting the tax burden right here, we have to guarantee that billionaires and firms pay their fair proportion and that on a regular basis folks and small companies get the tax advantages.
As she talks about her childcare plan and offering childcare tax credit, you’ve got bought Donald Trump, who clearly does not perceive the issue. You bought J.D. Vance who’s saying, properly, you must get your grandparents or your aunts or uncles to take care of youngsters, utterly clueless.
After we proceed to get this data out to the American public and to folks right here in North Carolina, that Kamala Harris has an financial plan that is going to assist decrease the fee for on a regular basis folks, that is going to assist households thrive, that’s going to guard ladies’s reproductive freedom, I feel on the finish of the day that is going to be what works right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, you’ve got bought a brief time frame to – to do this, sir, on this election.
One of many issues that we did hear about from the vice chairman this previous week was her endorsement of a much less dramatic enhance within the capital positive factors tax price than what Joe Biden had proposed. This can be a tax on property owned for greater than a yr on – on households bringing in over one million {dollars} in earnings.
Now, the vice chairman hasn’t mentioned whether or not she helps Biden’s proposal to tax unrealized positive factors. That is getting lots of focus from Republicans.
I am simply questioning, although, is that this announcement in positioning actually simply an try to seem extra reasonable, to seem extra pro-business? Is it only a political ploy?
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: Properly, I feel what Kamala Harris came upon within the time frame, the three and a half plus years that she’s been vice chairman, that you must obtain consensus to get issues finished. And that is precisely what she’s been in a position to do.
Total, what she needs to do is to shift the burden right here. Clearly the billionaires aren’t paying their fair proportion. And we have got to determine a technique to guarantee that we are able to get them to do this, whereas easing the burden on the center class.
And the way in which you do that’s to attempt to discover consensus, as a result of as you realize, it is very robust to get laws via each the Home and the Senate.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: And that may proceed to be a problem. However she’s proven that she’s bought the power to assist try this. Tim Walz was within the – was within the Congress, so he is bought the power to assist push laws that helps shift this steadiness. So, I am excited concerning the potential for them being president and vice chairman of america.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, and having to work with Congress.
I wish to ask you about weapons. We noticed this horrific taking pictures in Georgia this previous week. And the daddy of that shooter is dealing with second-degree homicide and different fees as a result of he gave his son that AR-15-style weapon that was used.
You are a former state legal professional normal and that – I ponder what you consider this – this precedent of prosecuting mother and father. Do you suppose it is efficient in dissuading gun violence?
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: I feel we’ve got to do every part we are able to to cut back gun violence, significantly gun violence in our faculties. And I feel that that’s applicable.
However we additionally know that these military-style assault weapons are being utilized by a number of folks. They will kill a number of folks. We needn’t have them on the streets.
Look, you’ll be able to’t be robust on crime in case you’re weak on gun legal guidelines. Vice President Harris and I, right here in North Carolina, as a gun proprietor, because the supporter of the Second Modification, help stronger background checks, crimson flag legal guidelines, and banning these military-style assault weapons. We should not even have them out there for folks to make use of in these mass murders which might be occurring.
I am bored with seeing texts from youngsters in a college telling their mother and father that they are afraid and that they love them. We can not normalize this. J.D. Vance mentioned that is only a truth of life.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly –
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: No, it is not. No, it is not.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He mentioned it is an – it is an –
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: It shouldn’t be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He mentioned he regrets that it is grow to be a truth of life.
However – however you do agree then with prosecuting mother and father is what I perceive from what you simply mentioned there?
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: And – look, if the – if – if the proof is there, sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: The very fact we – we have to guarantee that individuals are accountable. When you’re giving a 14-year-old – and I do not know what the entire proof is right here. Clearly, you have to wait till the court docket. However in case you’re giving a 14-year-old –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: Notably one who mentioned that they’re concerned – preferred mass shootings and also you’re giving that 14-year-old an AR-15 as a birthday current, that may be a drawback.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
Would you serve, maybe, as legal professional normal in a future Harris administration?
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: Look, I will – I will be concerned in some form of public service. I am operating via the tape as governor. It is loads for me to do. Going to work to verify we elect Kamala Harris as president, elect Democrats in North Carolina.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR ROY COOPER: Then we’ll see.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Governor, thanks to your time.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re again with the chairman of the Home International Affairs Committee, Republican Michael McCaul of Texas.
Congressman, good morning.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-TX): Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I’ve loads to get to with you. I wish to rapidly ask you about what we heard from the Justice Division on Friday in regard to this huge Russian scheme to affect the upcoming election.
Again within the spring you took some warmth after you mentioned Russian propaganda had contaminated a superb chunk of your occasion’s base. And also you blamed proper wing media. It looks like you are being vindicated right here. However Donald Trump mentioned yesterday at a rally, he appeared to dismiss all of it. “I do not know what it’s with poor Russia.”
Do you’ve gotten any purpose to doubt what the Justice Division and intelligence group mentioned?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Look, Russia’s been making an attempt to do that, you realize, a few years. So has China. So has Iran for that matter. And it is intensified. And I feel – I did not blame anyone for it. I blame Russia for placing disinformation in america that does get picked up by folks unwittingly in lots of instances. I feel, on this specific case, the house owners of the corporate knew they have been coping with a Russian disinformation marketing campaign. And if that is true, ought to be indicted.
But it surely’s an issue with China. They’re concerned in my election, similar to Nikki talked about her election. Iran, below indictment there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: So, I imply, that is Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to put that apart for a minute and delve into your investigation. You have been on this program numerous instances over the previous three years investigating the U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan. Your report comes out tomorrow.
Clarify the timing as a result of it is an election season, a day earlier than the presidential debate. Your rating member colleague is saying that that is politically motivated, and so they did not even get a duplicate of the report.
Why is that?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: They’re getting a duplicate of the report at the moment, as is Secretary Blinken, as is the White Home. And –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this politics, although, in an election yr?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: No. It is taken me two years to get thus far due to the obstruction. I’ve needed to form of subpoena after subpoena, transfer to compel, threaten to, you realize, maintain the secretary in contempt to get data, like after motion experiences, all these paperwork, testimonies that we lastly bought to.
Why is it necessary proper now, Margaret? Due to the overseas coverage is at stake. What occurred after Afghanistan impacted the world. Why? As a result of Putin responded by invading Ukraine two months after Afghanistan fell. Chairman Xi, Putin made an unwholly alliance in Beijing threatening the Pacific now. After which the Ayatollah reared his ugly head within the Center East. And we’re seeing this.
Lastly, that is actually necessary. The Bagram prisons unleashed 1000’s of ISIS-Okay prisoners that went to the Korazin (ph) area. Eight of these, and that is who we learn about, have been detained by the FBI in america that bought in via the southwest border. This can be a failed overseas coverage colliding with a failed border coverage all on the similar time. I feel it is very related.
Lastly, my investigation will go properly after the election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The place does it go subsequent?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: We’ve lots of unanswered questions relating to the DOD. You realize, what occurred on the bottom? Why have been these snipers left principally unprotected? The place was the surveillance gear that was videotaping? Why do not we’ve got one video of the suicide bomber going off?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, there is a go-pro digicam that you simply doc that did movie it, and there was a reaper drone, I consider, that began filming three minutes after the explosion.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: After. After.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However – however are you implying right here some form of conspiracy? I imply, you’ll be able to’t be saying that the Pentagon needed –
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I am not a conspiracy man. I am a prosecutor. This was finished very methodically. I went (ph) in search of press clippings. I did this, details, proof. I did not attain any conclusions.
However the truth is, usually they do multi assaults on the similar time. We all know that –
MARGARET BRENNAN: The ISIS suicide bombers who attacked at Abbey Gate?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Right. And that is their – that is their modus operandi. That is how they conduct this stuff. We do know that each one the video was destroyed after. What we all know from the – the Marines on the bottom –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Is that photographs have been coming from the Taliban. And among the Marines have been really hit by bullets. In keeping with their testimony. It is the perfect proof we’ve got as a result of the movies have been destroyed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, Normal McKenzie, in a briefing in 2022, mentioned that that was ball bearings that got here from the suicide bomber’s explosion and there was some dispute over the bullets. However –
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: And that very properly could be the case.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However I assume why I am asking is, there have been a number of CENTCOM investigations, a State Division investigation, do you not settle for the findings of these investigations?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: If it wasn’t for my investigation, CENTCOM by no means – by no means would have opened – reopened an investigation. It was this, you realize, very courageous sniper that got here ahead, you realize, Tyler Vargas- Andrews, that got here ahead and mentioned, I had the suicide bomber in my sights, I requested for permission to have interaction, permission was denied.
MARGARET BRENNAN: CENTCOM denies that that occurred.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: They denied it occurred. I wish to know the place they bought the image. Is {that a} image of the bomber on the website at HKIA or the place did they get that image? We simply do not know.
MARGARET BRENNAN: HKIA being the – the airport.
I wish to ask you although, 11 Marines, one sailor and one soldier misplaced their lives at Abbey Gate when it – that suicide bomber detonated. On Tuesday the speaker of the Home is presenting an award to the relations of the fallen. That is additionally debate day. I feel you’d agree all gold star households have to be revered on this nation Greater than 2,400 People have been killed in Afghanistan, 45 fight deaths below Donald Trump. Why aren’t all of them being honored? Why solely these 13?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Properly, this was one of many deadliest days in Afghanistan. It may have been prevented if the State Division did its job by legislation and executed the plan of evacuation. They didn’t try this till – till the day the Taliban invaded and overran Kabul. By that point, it was too late. They let these 13 service women and men hang around to dry, 170 Afghans killed, 45 service members and Afghans injured because of the, I would say, ethical negligence on the a part of the administration, permitting this to occur. I feel it’s very applicable to honor them.
It was by no means finished with the intention of it being on the identical date as the talk. That was not a coordinated effort.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Actually?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: To my data it was not.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Normal McKenzie, who was the CENTCOM commander in 2021, mentioned “the Trump period Doha settlement was one of many worst negotiating errors ever made by america. It was the operational mechanism that killed Afghanistan, that destroyed the federal government of Afghanistan. Did you establish errors by the Trump administration?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Properly, we recognized Zalkowizad (ph). The error right here with –
MARGARET BRENNAN: The negotiator.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Sure. With Doha was the truth that he negotiates with the Taliban and leaves out the Afghan authorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: That was a slap within the face to them. And it was not good for morale.
Having mentioned that, the Taliban –
MARGARET BRENNAN: That was the Trump coverage.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Sure. And the Taliban was in violation of Doha. That is why Trump left 2,500 troops.
When President Biden got here into workplace, it was very clear, go to zero. Actually, his press man mentioned, it is immaterial. Doha settlement is immaterial to us going to zero.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: We’re getting the hell out of there no matter circumstances on the bottom.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Each presidents agree with getting out. It was the army that opposed.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Properly, the Trump administration had circumstances.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The way it was finished.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I do not suppose – I do not suppose we are able to speculate. One factor’s for positive, Biden had an agenda on day one to get out.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I’ve so many extra questions for you, sir, however I am informed we’re out of time and we’ve got to go away it there.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mike McCaul, chairman of the Home International Affairs Committee.
We’ll be again in a second.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Thanks, Maragaret.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Becoming a member of us now could be the rating member of the Home Intelligence Committee, Democrat Jim Himes of Connecticut.
Congressman, good morning to you.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES (D-CT): Thanks for having me, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Quite a bit I wish to get to with you, however I did wish to give you an opportunity to reply, in case you care to, to Congressman McCaul. I do know you and most Democrats supported President Biden’s resolution to withdraw from Afghanistan, though I feel you’d agree the exit was one of many darkest days of – of his presidency thus far.
What do you make of the Republican argument that this mirror on Vice President Harris’ skills to function commander in chief?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, you are proper, Margaret, whenever you say that that was a really darkish day. Any time we lose service members, it is a very darkish day. And the 13 that we misplaced at Abbey Gate are – are rightly bear in mind. And you know the way you bear in mind them finest? You bear in mind, as you identified in your interview with – with Chairman McCaul, that there have been additionally nearly 2,500 others killed in Afghanistan over a 20-year interval.
What Chairman McCaul goes to supply to the American folks, although, is – and – and also you mentioned it proper, it will be about Vice President Harris. It’s a politicized, cherry-picked report designed to do one factor, not make clear a tragedy, which, by the way in which, I might help 100%. And, by the way in which, let’s additionally have a look at the 20 years and the 4 presidents that doubled down on Afghanistan coverage. It’s going to be a nakedly partisan marketing campaign factor.
Chairman McCaul mentioned it on the finish there. You realize, what – the army points that he was elevating, you realize, he did not point out the truth that – when he mentioned that the – that President Biden got here with an agenda to withdraw from Afghanistan, President Biden didn’t include an agenda. He got here with a binding settlement negotiated by President Trump, who additionally launched 5,000 Taliban. And, by the way in which – and this is the important thing level that did not come up, who additionally left President Biden with 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Margaret, once we have been attacked on January sixth on the Capitol, within the days after, we had greater than 2,500 nationwide guardsmen guarding the Capitol.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: That is the instruments and that is the settlement that Donald Trump left President Biden with.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And there have been 1000’s extra NATO troops as properly. So, the two,500 is somewhat bit deceptive. However let’s put that apart. Simply to honor our allies there that certainly you realize about.
I wish to ask you concerning the ISIS menace. On Friday, it was disclosed {that a} 20-year-old ISIS supporter was apprehended 12 miles from the U.S.-Canada border. The FBI mentioned the person was a Pakistani citizen residing in Canada who was planning a mass taking pictures assault in New York Metropolis on or round October seventh to kill as many Jews as potential.
Do you’ve gotten any perception into whether or not this particular person was self-radicalized? Was he directed? What’s the menace image right here?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Sure, you realize, we have been out of session for a while, so I – it has been a short while since I’ve had a labeled briefing. So, I – I most likely cannot particularly reply the query about that particular person.
What I can let you know is 2 issues. Primary, ISIS is devoted, as is, by the way in which, Iran and any variety of different teams, to making an attempt to strike america. That could be a truth and that’s the reason it’s so necessary, the work of the intelligence group and the FBI to cease that stuff. They usually’re fairly good at that.
You noticed the arrests, after all, of the eight individuals who have been affiliated with – with terrorist teams. They’re excellent at what they do. It’s totally arduous for them to be excellent. But it surely’s additionally necessary that we not overexaggerate the menace right here. We’ve come a really good distance – I am really simply again from a 9/11 ceremony on the twenty third anniversary celebrating – or memorializing that – that hideous assault. You realize, the intelligence group, the army, the FBI, have come a good distance since 9/11 and, as a consequence, we find out about this stuff, and hopefully we’ll be able to impede as a lot of them as potential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Truthful level.
I wish to change gears, if I can, and – you might be proper to remind us all that we’re developing on that 9/11 anniversary. A memorial to all of these.
On the query of election interference, we bought these disclosures from the intelligence group this week and the Justice Division. This was a complicated scheme to intrude within the election by organising faux information websites, paying $10 million to a Tennessee-based firm to launder Moscow’s propaganda. They used podcasters, they used well-known personalities on YouTube to trick American voters in swing states, in keeping with the DOJ.
How efficient has this marketing campaign been?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, that is a very arduous query to reply, Margaret, as a result of that will get into the query of, you realize, gosh, are these loopy proper wing web sites and proper wing journalists who evidently, their cash got here from Russia, are they really having an impression on the election? It is form of arduous to consider in a 50-50 election that is going to be performed out in form of 4 or 5 states that it is not going to have some impression on the margin, which is why two issues are actually necessary. Primary, again to the FBI, again to our intelligence group, they should double down on figuring out, naming and shaming these international locations which might be doing this. And Chairman McCaul was proper, it is primarily Russia. Russia has actually pulled out all of the stops. But it surely’s additionally China. It is also Iran. There’s even another international locations which might be fascinated about it.
However, Margaret, I really feel very passionately about this. They will solely succeed if Americans hand over their autonomy, their sovereignty, their vital considering skills to the Russians or to the Chinese language. And so what I all the time inform my constituents, in case you’re taking a look at some random social media website and you might be getting hotter and warmer and angrier and angrier and individuals who disagree with you aren’t simply the opposition however they’re traitors, you realize what you are doing, you might be being manipulated. And it could simply be by Fb’s algorithms, however there’s some probability it’d really be the Kremlin or the Chinese language or the Iranians who’re manipulating you. And if you are going to be manipulated that simply, guess what, this nation’s going to get the democracy that we deserve.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Vladimir Putin publicly mentioned he was endorsing Vice President Harris this previous week. U.S. intelligence, although, assesses that it’s Donald Trump that’s, actually, Moscow’s most well-liked candidate.
Are you aware whether or not Putin is directing this specific marketing campaign?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, I’ll let you know that tremendous delicate issues like meddling in U.S. elections, you – you realize the character of the Kremlin and of Putin and of his autocracy. Nothing severe occurs in Russia with out Vladimir Putin signing off on it. So, exactly how he – concerned he’s – is an open query. However consider me, sure, he would – and look, you realize, the entire, you realize, I am endorsing Harris factor –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: All you must do is take heed to the way in which the 2 candidates discuss Russia and Ukraine, and you may develop a fairly unbiased sense of what Putin want to see occur on Election Day.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned earlier this week that banks are required to analysis their purchasers whenever you have been being requested about this case of a Tennessee based mostly firm that CBS is reporting is Tenet Media that was being manipulated by the Russians. What’s the precept you are asking to be utilized right here?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, I assume – and – and I am not speaking about authorized compulsion essentially right here, though banks are required to know their prospects. It is good to think about that, you realize, huge social media platforms, or huge media platforms, like Tenet, would possibly really perform a little analysis to attempt to determine the place their cash is coming from.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Frankly, the individuals who have a look at their media have a proper to know the place that cash comes from.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: So, you realize, at a minimal, test these items out as a result of it’s possible you’ll not wish to be complicit in a Kremlin operation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
Congressman Himes, thanks to your perception.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at the moment. Thanks for watching. Till subsequent week, for FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.
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