On this “Face the Nation” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Sen. Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida
- Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, Democrat of Nevada
- CBS Information director of elections and surveys Anthony Salvanto
- David Becker, Samantha Vinograd and Chris Krebs
Click on right here to browse full transcripts of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: It is all the way down to the ultimate hours of marketing campaign 2024, and election night time is shaping as much as be an epic cliffhanger.
Barnstorming the battlegrounds on Saturday, each presidential candidates stumped for each final vote, with their arguments starting from the intense…
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KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of the US (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): This isn’t somebody who is considering how one can make your life higher.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: And that is somebody who’s more and more unstable, obsessive about revenge, consumed with grievance.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: And the person is out for unchecked energy.
DONALD TRUMP (Former President of the US (R) and Present U.S. Presidential Candidate): We acquired to place America first.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And we are going to cease unlawful immigration as soon as and for all. We won’t be invaded. We won’t be occupied. We won’t be overrun. We won’t be conquered.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … to the foolish.
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MAYA RUDOLPH (Actress): I’ll vote for us.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Nice. Any likelihood you’re registered in Pennsylvania?
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MAYA RUDOLPH: Nope, I’m not.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Properly, it was price a shot.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The day capped a wild week on the marketing campaign path full of distractions that drew America’s consideration to 2 key voting blocs, Latinos and ladies, first the fallout from a racist joke that fell flat.
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TONY HINCHCLIFFE (Comic): A floating island of rubbish in the midst of the ocean proper now, sure, I believe it is known as Puerto Rico.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Democrats jumped on the Trump marketing campaign misstep, however when the present president bungled his get together’s message of inclusion…
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JOE BIDEN (President of the US): The one rubbish I see floating out there’s his supporters.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … the previous president performed up Biden’s unforced error and sharpened his plea for the hotly contested Latino vote.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I really like the Hispanics. I really like them.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The battle of the sexes, no less than within the voting sales space, can be thought of essential in these closing days.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I’ll do it, whether or not the ladies prefer it or not. I’ll defend them.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Harris is already operating effectively forward in terms of ladies. Will the gender hole widen with Trump’s sexist feedback and his violent rhetoric, like this point out of Liz Cheney?
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: She’s a radical battle hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with 9 barrels taking pictures at her, OK? Let’s examine how she feels about it when the weapons are skilled on her face.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We are going to speak about all of it with two key senators, Florida Republican Marco Rubio and Nevada Democrat Catherine Cortez Masto.
Plus, actuality checks on the state of the economic system and election safety.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
Greater than 76 million People have voted already. That is virtually half of these anticipated to. Our CBS Information polling up to date in a single day reveals what now we have identified for a while. The contests within the seven battleground states are all primarily tied, as they’re throughout the margin of error.
We now have reporters in all seven states, and we are going to hear from 4 of them right this moment, beginning with our Caitlin Huey-Burns, who’s in Greensboro, North Carolina – Caitlin.
CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS: Margaret, former President Donald Trump campaigned right here in Greensboro final night time and is returning to the state right this moment and tomorrow, all an indication that this state is up for grabs.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We will not take an opportunity of dropping the nice state of North Carolina.
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CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS: The Tar Heel State has been dependable for Republicans. No Democrat has received it since 2008.
However of all of the states Trump received in 2020, his victory in North Carolina was the closest. And each campaigns are competing for voters on the identical turf. In reality, Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris touched down right here on the identical time yesterday. Their planes actually parked subsequent to one another on the tarmac.
And Democrats hope the state’s altering demographics and voters’ views on abortion entry work of their favor. Republicans, in the meantime, are inspired by the variety of their voters who’ve already solid ballots. Early voting ended right here yesterday.
NIKOLE KILLION: I am Nikole Killion in Georgia, the place each candidates are making last-minute stops this weekend. The Peach State has been in place since President Biden flipped it in 2020.
In response to the secretary of state, over 4 million ballots have been solid. That is greater than three in 4 who have been anticipated to vote this 12 months. A number of the highest participation totals are coming from Republican strongholds exterior of Atlanta, one thing GOP sources inform us they’re inspired by.
However high Democrats on this state consider they’re additionally aggressive. Plus, greater than 1,000,000 black voters have solid ballots. That could be a essential demographic, notably for the vp, though the previous president is attempting to siphon off help.
This weekend marks the final time that Harris and Trump will doubtless be in Georgia, however their operating mates will probably be right here. And each campaigns have occasions deliberate by the election, with the purpose of capturing this state’s coveted 16 electoral votes.
KRIS VAN CLEAVE: I am Kris Van Cleave in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Already statewide, practically half of registered voters have solid their vote both in particular person early or by mail. And that comes after a push by each events to get individuals out early, and consists of virtually everybody at this Vance rally in Scottsdale, on the poll, a intently watched Senate race and abortion.
Voters leaning in the direction of Trump inform us immigration and inflation are key points. Voters leaning Harris see totally different options for the border and are centered on ladies’s rights and defending democracy. One place the place each side agree is issues over voter fatigue on account of a longer-than-usual poll that might result in delays for these voting on Tuesday.
Native leaders say safety will probably be tight.
WEIJIA JIANG: I am Weijia Jiang in Philadelphia, the place the Harris marketing campaign says volunteers have knocked on practically a million doorways in Pennsylvania within the final 24 hours alone.
Her staff believes that an aggressive floor sport will drive up Democratic turnout amongst her base, whereas the Trump marketing campaign has additionally labored to broaden help from voters of colour, particularly black and Latino males.
One other high line right here in Pennsylvania, the battle of the sexes. A Trump marketing campaign senior adviser says they’re banking on a giant increase from males and going after those that normally do not vote, particularly in rural areas.
However the Harris staff is assured that ladies, together with reasonable Republicans, will seal the deal for a victory. One group of Harris supporters we spoke with made up of ladies who establish as lifelong Republicans say they’ve talked to hundreds of so-called silent Harris voters within the suburbs who plan to vote for the vp, regardless that they will not admit it, even to their husbands.
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WOMAN: We now have had a number of ladies specific a real discomfort or virtually a worry of telling different individuals of their lives that they are going to vote for Kamala Harris.
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WEIJIA JIANG: However a senior Trump marketing campaign official tells us they don’t consider there are sufficient of these voters to make an actual distinction.
Each nominees plan to carry a number of occasions in Pennsylvania earlier than Election Day. In reality, Harris will spend all tomorrow storming the state, with a number of stops ending proper right here in Philly for her grand finale marketing campaign rally – Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is Weijia Jiang in Philadelphia.
We go now to Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio.
Good morning to you, Senator.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R-Florida): Good morning, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In latest days, the Harris marketing campaign has mentioned they’ve seen favorable motion in the direction of them with Latinos and with undecided voters, notably following that New York rally we referenced there, with the insult remark, making remarks about Puerto Rico.
You have been centered on outreach to Hispanic voters for the Trump marketing campaign. Are you involved that this unforced error damage outreach?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, there was no unforced error. I imply, a comic made a joke, and it was tasteless, but it surely wasn’t Trump that mentioned it.
It wasn’t – this man isn’t going to be in his Cupboard. I imply, this comic isn’t going to be a member of his authorities. He is definitely not operating for something. It was a comic who tells tasteless jokes on a regular basis. I encourage everybody to, effectively, I assume watch segments of the Tom Brady roast, and you will see the type of jokes he tells. He is an insult comedian.
Look, there isn’t any new outreach to…
MARGARET BRENNAN: At a Trump rally.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure. I imply, I do not know.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Employed by the marketing campaign.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: He spoke two hours earlier than Trump.
Properly, once more, I believe what’s extra related, if you wish to say – so, it needed to be finished in hindsight, the man most likely would not get invited, OK, particularly with a joke like that.
However I believe extra related is the truth that the sitting president of the US mentioned out loud what most individuals within the Democratic Social gathering and hierarchy consider, and that’s that anybody who votes for Donald Trump is rubbish, is a racist, is a hater, is a Nazi, as – because the vp candidate of theirs has accused anybody who attended the Madison Sq. Backyard rally.
MSNBC was operating pictures of Nazi rallies from Germany aspect by aspect with pictures from Madison Sq. Backyard every week in the past. So, there – you requested me, why are they so assured?
When you’re so assured about victory, the best way that the Harris individuals say they’re, then why would you be on the market attacking not Donald Trump, attacking anybody who is considering voting for him by labeling them as, in case you vote for Donald Trump, you are this evil, horrible human being?
That does not appear to be just like the actions of a assured marketing campaign. It appears to me just like the actions of a scared one.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, I used to be talking particularly about that – that outreach that you’ve got been doing to Hispanic voters. It sounds such as you suppose that is negligible.
However let me ask you about ladies voters, as a result of we’re seeing in our knowledge that the Trump marketing campaign could have a difficulty there.
Here is what former Trump administration U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley mentioned this previous week about that Madison Sq. Backyard rally.
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FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY (R-South Carolina): This bromance and this masculinity stuff, I imply, it borders on edgy, to the purpose that it should make ladies uncomfortable. You’ve got affiliated PACs which are doing commercials about calling Kamala the C-word. Otherwise you had audio system at Madison Sq. Backyard referring to her and her pimps.
That’s not the best way to win ladies.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you share the previous governor’s issues that it is a vulnerability?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, initially, I need to level out, and nobody talks about this, Kamala Harris has a much bigger downside amongst males than Donald Trump does amongst ladies.
Are there ladies which are going to vote for Kamala Harris? After all. Are there ladies that do not like Donald Trump? After all. Are there ladies which are going to help Donald Trump? Sure, there are, a number of them.
And I believe you will see that bear out on Election Day. Finally, the underside line is that what this election goes to be about, when individuals go vote, they don’t seem to be – they are going to be voting on three issues which are essential to them. How a lot does it value to stay on this nation, and might you afford the issues that individuals work exhausting to have the ability to afford? As a result of over the past 4 years, they haven’t.
Do you are feeling protected and safe? And the reply is, no, individuals don’t face – really feel protected and safe, when you’ve got harmful legal components coming into this nation throughout the open border that Kamala Harris allowed. And quantity three is, how shut is that this nation to being dragged into some form of world battle?
We now have troops from North Korea aspect by aspect with Russians on the bottom in Ukraine. We’re edging nearer each single month to some broader world battle that might contain the US. And guess who’s going to should go combat in these wars? The sons and the daughters and the kids of the people who find themselves going to determine this election, and that features over half the nation, which is ladies voters.
That is what is going on to be on individuals’s thoughts, and that is what ought to be on their thoughts, as a result of that is what’s at stake on this election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, by way of security and safety, that sound chew a second in the past from Donald Trump speaking about coaching weapons on the face of Liz Cheney, the Trump marketing campaign…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: That is not what he mentioned.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … says that was about international coverage.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: It was…;
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, we simply performed it for our viewers and listeners who heard it.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is not it attainable to make the case with out utilizing rhetoric like that?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: However Donald Trump would not discuss like somebody who’s been in Washington for 30 years.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Coaching weapons on her face?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: He would not say it the best way I might have mentioned it. No, however that is not what he mentioned, Margaret. You guys know that. Come on.
I imply, everyone is aware of precisely what he was saying. What he was saying is…
MARGARET BRENNAN: We performed the sound chew.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … you are a lot in favor of battle.
Sure, you – no, you performed a chunk of the sound chew, as a result of, in one other piece of it, he mentioned he would give her a gun to go stand in battle as effectively. You do not usually give a gun to somebody that’s going to be dealing with a firing squad, which is what a lot of the media made it sound like.
The purpose he was making isn’t a brand new level. It’s a level that has been made by individuals in each events for many years. And that’s, you are all for battle, and it is easy to be for battle if you’re in some fancy constructing and also you’re protected and sound in Washington, D.C.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Let’s examine how a lot you’re for battle if you your self get deployed into fight. That is the purpose that he was making.
That he makes use of language that perhaps isn’t what we usually hear from somebody that works at a suppose tank…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … effectively, wonderful.
However I believe it is really, not simply unfair, it is egregious to see that reported the best way that it was, together with different issues which are on the market. I’ve by no means seen such a concerted effort.
And, look, I’ve all the time believed there’s bias, as a result of nobody’s unbiased, however I’ve by no means seen such a concerted effort like what I’ve seen, particularly within the final two weeks, amongst a number of media retailers on this nation to, in some circumstances, breathlessly distort and lie about what’s being mentioned and to create and manufacture these gotcha moments towards Donald Trump.
I’ve by no means seen it earlier than.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: It is excessive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, you’re the rating member on the Senate Intelligence Committee. You additionally know that former commander in chief isn’t just some man off the road, and phrases matter.
U.S. intelligence has particularly warned…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: They do matter. They do matter.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … particularly warned in regards to the threat of political violence on this nation, a few of it stoked by international adversaries, Iran attempting to do this, Russia attempting to do this, within the days after the election.
Are you assured within the safety and the integrity of the election?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I am assured within the safety and integrity of the elections, and particularly as a result of now we have sturdy programs throughout this nation.
It is unfold throughout 50 states. That does not imply there aren’t going to be issues. We noticed issues earlier within the week in Pennsylvania, they usually have been resolved by a courtroom, the place individuals weren’t allowed – being allowed in a single county from accessing their on-demand mail poll on the spot. There are going to be points like that.
They’re being confronted on the entrance finish, and people issues are being checked out. Look, within the state of Michigan, we all know now – and this isn’t me making it up. I am unable to consider it hasn’t obtained extra protection. A Chinese language nationwide registered to vote and voted. And now he is being charged for doing that. However guess what? His poll goes to rely.
We all know no less than one noncitizen’s poll goes to rely in Michigan as a result of they do not know which poll it’s they usually cannot retrieve it. These are info. Now, whether or not that is widespread or not, I hope not, however these are issues which are taking place, they usually have to be watched at.
So far as international adversaries, positive. I imply, Iran desires to kill Donald Trump. Iran – this has been totally documented. They’re attempting to kill Donald Trump. You speak about violent rhetoric. He is the one candidate on this race, and never as a result of I want this on anyone else, who’s had not one, however two assassination makes an attempt towards his life.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. So…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: So, after all we’re all involved about it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
By way of the case you talked about in Michigan, now we have tracked that. The secretary of state of that state has really introduced prices, has made that public. That particular person may very well be deported…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure. However that vote’s nonetheless going to rely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … may very well be deported as a result of there are legal guidelines on this nation that punish individuals…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: They’re. However the vote nonetheless counts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … when they’re unlawful, they usually attempt to vote in federal elections. That 19-year-old goes to face some penalties.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Right. However the vote nonetheless counts.
He’s. And he’ll – however his vote nonetheless counts. His vote will nonetheless be counted.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. I am simply attempting to clarify that there are programs…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: However that is a giant deal. I believe that is a giant deal.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … as you pointed to, because the courts are additionally enjoying a task right here.
I have to ask you about China, although. This huge and pervasive hacking by China of U.S. telecom firms is critical. Your colleague Mark Warner mentioned it is essentially the most important breach he has ever seen in his whole time on the committee.
Are you aware if China has been capable of entry the audio of People’ cellphone calls?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I am not going to touch upon what they entry, however I agree with Mark Warner’s assertion.
It’s an egregious, outrageous and harmful breach of our telecommunications programs throughout a number of firms. I’ll depart it at that. I believe, as time goes on, we’ll study extra about it. A few of it is going to be made public. I believe there’s extra that is nonetheless being gathered.
It is a very severe state of affairs that we face and I believe one that’s fairly threatening, perhaps not on to the election…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … per se, however definitely to the nationwide safety of our nation shifting ahead. It is a vulnerability that nobody imagined or anticipated.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: However right here it’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
Senator Rubio, thanks in your time right this moment.
We’ll be again in a minute.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined by Nevada Democratic Senator Catherine Cortez Masto, who joins us from Las Vegas.
Good morning to you, Senator.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO (D-Nevada): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be monitoring your state very intently and all six of its electoral votes.
On this early vote, we have seen half of Nevada’s lively registered voters have solid ballots, and there is some nervousness amongst Democrats as a result of Republicans at present have a lead statewide. Are you assured the remaining ballots will shut that hole and ship the state to Harris?
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Properly, Margaret, I can let you know a few issues.
One, I’m optimistic that we’re going to win, not just for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, however for Jacky Rosen, on this state. I’m completely assured in our floor sport, in our canvassing and knocking on doorways and speaking to our voters, as a result of that is actually what issues right here, is ensuring that our voters, who’re paying consideration now in a swing state like Nevada, that someone is speaking to them, as a result of there’s a lot info on the market.
And now could be the time for us to attach with our voters and discuss to them in regards to the points that they care about. So, sure, I’m very, very assured.
And the one different factor, let me say this, Margaret, is, you understand, I used to be reelected only in the near past, and there was a Republican benefit in my race, in my midterm, and I received. Not solely did I win. Our congressional delegation received. And so we additionally received our – our state seats in our state Home.
So what we all know in Nevada, it’s actually about that group. It is knocking on these doorways. It is phone-banking. It is speaking to our voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: We even have a big inhabitants of our voters who’re nonpartisan. Over a 3rd are nonpartisan. And people are the independents in different states, they usually lean Democratic. They leaned my approach.
And so I’m very, very assured that, as we’re working our floor sport, we’ll arrange our method to victory right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You – you talked about your victory in 2022. That was simply by 8,000 votes. So this – this may very well be a good one as effectively this time round.
The Trump marketing campaign talks about making inroads with the working-class inhabitants, particularly, on the difficulty of the economic system. Your state has the second highest unemployment fee within the nation. Nearly all of voters should not have a university diploma.
Why should not the Trump marketing campaign be assured that they’re making inroads with this key demographic?
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Properly, a few issues, Margaret. You talked about my – my tight race. They’re all the time tight in Nevada. It is a swing state. They’re all the time shut. It is all the time throughout the margin.
And that is why it is necessary you get out and discuss to voters and you do not take anybody with no consideration. And also you’re proper. A big a part of our inhabitants, our service business, these are excessive school-educated people. That is my household. They labored on this business.
And these are the people we need to discuss to. However we even have been participating them on the problems that matter to them. And in case you take a look at our sturdy organized labor, which is the culinary, which is made up many of the service business, together with our constructing trades, they’re knocking on these doorways in favor of the Democrats, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
So there’s this outright concerted effort by everybody to ensure our voters perceive who’s – what’s at stake right here. And there is a stark distinction. I imply, you understand, let me simply say…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: … as a result of that is necessary for voters to know this, that Kamala Harris has already talked about, she desires to signify everybody. She desires to elevate everyone up.
Irrespective of who voted for her, she’s going to signify them. She’s going to start out day one with a to-do checklist to how she works on the problems that she is aware of that many citizens are challenged with. Donald Trump goes to stroll within the Oval Workplace with an enemies checklist. There is a distinction between the 2.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: And if you discuss to voters about it who’re anticipating that in Nevada, in a swing state, that makes the distinction in whether or not or not we’re going to win. And we’re going to win.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However does your get together – we performed what the present president, Joe Biden, mentioned about Trump supporters, and a few have in contrast that, Republicans have in contrast that to what Hillary Clinton mentioned a few basket of deplorables.
Does your get together have a disdain downside in speaking all the way down to working class voters particularly?
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Properly, I can let you know right here in Nevada basically – initially, let’s simply say, however – we all know this, that President Biden clarified his assertion, and Kamala Harris has made it very clear she desires to signify everybody, regardless of…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, he quibbled about an apostrophe within the transcript.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: However – however Kamala Harris made it very clear shifting ahead that she desires to signify everybody, proper, regardless of whether or not you voted for her or not.
And whoever you vote for, you should not be criticized for that. And he or she’s made that very clear.
What – what I hear from voters in Nevada – and that is the place the – the place it is related, not the spin rooms, not the polls, not what you are listening to on the nationwide information, however what are voters saying, and what do they care about? They usually’re listening.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: And I can let you know, my voters in Nevada that I discuss to, which is admittedly a big inhabitants of not solely our blue- collar, however minority Latinos, a – excuse me, Asian American Pacific Islanders, a vibrant Black neighborhood, Native People – they’re listening to, what are the problems?
Who’s bringing the options, proper? Who has the options to handle the inexpensive housing problem? That is Kamala Harris.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Who has the problems to handle how we decrease well being care prices and hold them low for all People? Kamala Harris. Who has the thought about how we defend the Reasonably priced Care Act and never repeal it? That is Kamala Harris.
So these conversations matter to my voters in Nevada, and that is what’s related on the finish of the day and the way we’ll make this occur.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And your state additionally will probably be key to observe. You do have abortion on the poll.
Though it is already authorized in your state, there’s speak about enshrining it within the Structure, primarily based on what occurs Tuesday. We’ll be following that and what occurs along with your get together.
Senator, now we have to depart it there for time. Thanks.
We’ll be again with much more Face the Nation, so stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION, and our panel of election regulation and safety specialists.
David Becker is the manager director of the Middle for Election, Innovation and Analysis. Chris Krebs is the previous head of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Safety Company beneath the Trump administration. And Samantha Vinograd was most not too long ago a counterterrorism official on the Division of Homeland Safety beneath the Biden administration.
Good morning to you all.
Setting the desk for a consequential week.
Chris, I need to begin with you.
We’re in that 48-hour window that Microsoft warned was going to be rife with makes an attempt to hack individuals’s minds. We have seen no less than 4 pretend movies the FBI and U.S. intelligence have warned are supposed to manipulate. Yesterday, the FBI mentioned there have been two on the market which are pretend. Earlier than that we had disclosed that Russia was behind a Bucks County, Pennsylvania, pretend video and one focusing on voters in Georgia, falsely claiming that Haitian migrants have been – have been voting.
How do these ways that Russia is utilizing now examine to what you noticed in 2020 and again in 2016?
CHRIS KREBS: Properly, they’ve developed their methods from producing and launching content material from, as an illustration, St. Petersburg. That is what we noticed in 2016. You had the web analysis company working out of an workplace constructing, virtually like, you understand, a traditional enterprise.
Over time, although, given the enhancements within the intelligence neighborhood, cyber command, and our personal consciousness of the actions and what they’re doing, they’ve began to push the boundaries out. And they also’re really producing content material after which they’re laundering it successfully by different platforms, like Telegram and even now what we’re seeing is a major quantity of laundering by X.
After which U.S. residents choose up this info and choose up these movies, after which they market it on their very own accounts and on their very own social media platforms, like Fb. So, they’re shifting it out. They’re avoiding the methods that U.S. regulation enforcement intelligence has deployed and developed. And they also’re not pretty much as good although. So, a number of these movies that we’re seeing, they’re really fairly amateurish. That is to not say they cannot have higher content material coming ahead, however actually they’re simply type of flooding the zone and attempting to distract.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And confuse and sow – and sow mistrust of our establishments.
Sam, U.S. intelligence has been briefing and disclosing. That is a part of what they’re doing to attempt to counteract this.
We additionally noticed early on warnings about Iran and what they’re doing. The evaluation Iran favors Harris, Russia favors Trump.
What type of affect are we seeing?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Properly, Iran has two most important objectives on this election cycle. First, to denigrate President Trump. They’ve expressed current – excuse me, a choice for Vp Harris primarily based upon Trump’s file in workplace and their notion of what Mr. Trump would do if elected. That is goal one.
Goal two is to sow discord. They usually view undermining notion about thein integrity of our election as an efficient instrument. So, they’re utilizing affect operations to denigrate Mr. Trump and to sow discord utilizing AI- generated content material actually centered particularly on, for instance, allegations of voter fraud. We should always count on Iran to proceed more and more refined affect operations associated to perceptions of an absence of election integrity. That can final effectively after polls shut, Margaret. That is essentially the most attenuated election safety associated risk surroundings now we have doubtless seen in historical past.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of it isn’t about simply altering votes. It is about not trusting our democracy.
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, 76 million People already voted. So, can we are saying these numbers present the adversaries are failing, or are the election staff you are talking with actually involved about what’s to return?
DAVID BECKER: Properly, it is – it has elevated our potential to be resilient towards the disinformation. The extra individuals who vote early, they’re successfully inoculated themselves towards disinformation that is perhaps inclined to be meant to assist them self-suppress their vote or confuse them about how one can vote. So, the truth that we have had over 76 million vote already, and that is going to extend by a number of million extra as soon as all of the mail ballots are in, as soon as there’s even early voting happening right this moment, nonetheless in about 27 states and D.C. So, that is superb. Which means the variety of individuals that also have to vote on Election Day, when disinformation is perhaps very centered on them, attempting to get them confused with little or no time for them to be resilient towards that disinformation, that is going to have an effect on fewer voters. That is an excellent factor. And I believe we’re seeing, particularly in states like Georgia and North Carolina, effectively over 4 million votes in every of these states has been solid. Thousands and thousands of votes in lots of different – of the swing states. And to this point, only a few issues regardless of efforts to create issues maybe from our adversaries abroad.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you’d level individuals to the secretaries of state themselves, their web sites, for dependable info?
DAVID BECKER: Sure. Everytime you want info, go to your state election web site. That is normally the secretary of state’s web site. Typically, in North Carolina, Wisconsin, there’s an election fee or an election board. Go to your native election web site if you understand your nation or locality the place elections are going down. And in case you need assistance, go to vote.gov. That can navigate you there ultimately. Go – simply rely on these sources solely for info.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Chris, if you have been in authorities, we did see, again in 2018, disclosure by the final on the head of then Cyber Command and the Nationwide Safety Company say that – that the federal government at the moment arrange a small group to principally knock Russia offline, to bodily cease them from a few of these affect operations.
Can the U.S. undertake offensive operations like that now?
CHRIS KREBS: Completely. I do suppose although that the infrastructure that the adversaries or the Russians and the Iran have put into place might not be the place it as soon as was. It has moved. Remember the fact that earlier this 12 months the Division of Justice took offline a disinformation group that we observe as Doppelganger, they took their numerous web sites offline. They usually did it in a approach that was timed in order that they might not rebuild these web sites and reestablish the engagement with these web sites in time for the election. So, there have been steps taken to make sure that the dangerous guys cannot execute their methods.
And within the meantime, you’ve got organizations, like SISA, which are doing extra with extra jurisdictions on election safety than at some other level beforehand. So, they’ve a number of confidence across the resilience of the system.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However what you mentioned about utilizing People to unfold disinformation.
CHRIS KREBS: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Individuals are changing into unwitting brokers of a international adversary primarily by re-tweeting or reposting a few of these pretend movies.
CHRIS KREBS: We now have seen that, proper? So, there was one other Division of Justice announcement {that a} media outlet, primarily based out of Tennessee, was receiving funding from the Russians, from RT, a cutout (ph) –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Tenet Group.
CHRIS KREBS: Tenet Group.
Now, to David’s earlier level, that’s the reason it’s so critically necessary that American voters, after they’re searching for details about the election, they go to their related native or state official. They know what is going on on. Go – in case you’re in Georgia, Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling are most likely operating the tightest ship in terms of elections within the nation proper now. They’re extremely efficient. They’re on the market. They’re placing info within the arms of the American individuals in order that they perceive what’s taking place.
And so when Russian operations just like the Haitian voters pops up, they have been on it instantly they usually knocked it down. That’s vastly efficient in sustaining belief of the method.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sam, now we have seen issues about bodily safety, although, as effectively at voting areas. The Democratic governor of Washington state has activated the Nationwide Guard, put them on stand-by, citing normal and particular info and issues about violence and unrest. You probably did have that drop field in Vancouver that broken tons of of ballots. There was an incendiary gadget there. Are there particular plots the federal authorities is aware of of presently?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Properly, it’s a usually heightened risk surroundings, each by way of complexity and the size of time that terrorism associated threats, legal threats and affect operations by nation states will final associated to the election. It’s simply prudent planning, Margaret, on this risk surroundings for officers in any respect ranges of presidency, federal, state and native, to have interaction in detailed operational planning. State and native officers are within the lead for the safety of their jurisdictions.
Now, in my expertise, notably submit January sixth, these operational plans should embody a full sense of all accessible regulation enforcement sources. Nationwide Guard is the final resort. You’ve gotten native sources, state sources after which, as obligatory, Nationwide Guard, in addition to a transparent sense of who to name when in order that there aren’t communication failures.
Federal officers have invested some huge cash and time in doing workouts, tons of them with state and native officers, sharing intelligence and data, and attempting to share finest practices. However on the finish of the day, the state and native officers are within the lead and will have clear operational plans for a spread of situations that will come up, particularly giant scale safety incidents that will come up with little or no warning. We discovered classes from January sixth. And from my conversations with former colleagues, that operational planning has been underway for years, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, I need to rapidly get you to reply to what Senator Rubio was elevating throughout our interview. He was speaking in regards to the prices introduced by the secretary – or I discussed the charged introduced by the secretary of state towards the person he highlighted had solid a vote regardless of not being a citizen.
DAVID BECKER: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How is it that somebody who’s not a citizen may register and solid a poll? How did that even occur?
DAVID BECKER: Properly, now we have a number of protections in place to ensure it’s totally, most unlikely that is going to occur. We have seen locations like Ohio, which has documented solely six circumstances of non-citizen voting over a decade, relationship again to 2014. We now have locations like Georgia, that has documented 9 circumstances of non-citizen voting since 2008. So, it does occur, but it surely’s extraordinarily uncommon. And I am positive Michigan goes to undergo the method of evaluating precisely what went unsuitable on this one explicit occasion.
But it surely’s additionally necessary to notice, that is one case. It was very swiftly handled. This particular person goes to lose his administration on the College of Michigan. He will be prosecuted. He would possibly go to jail. And he is virtually definitely to be deported.
This can be a cautionary story. It is one of many causes we all know that non-citizen voting is extraordinarily uncommon. It is not zero, but it surely’s very near zero as a result of the potential profit to the one that perpetrates that crime, one vote in an election with 160 million ballots is much outweighed by the potential threat that they are dealing with of deportation and different jail time, et cetera.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks for that.
I needed you to clarify the method, as a result of I believe explaining how our courts work –
DAVID BECKER: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How the programs are set as much as take care of this stuff is necessary.
One of many issues disclosed within the U.S. intelligence report put out by the Workplace of the Director of Nationwide Intelligence was that Russia’s amplifying these claims of non-citizen voting.
DAVID BECKER: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, that is what occurs.
DAVID BECKER: Proper. That is what occurs. And there are many protections in place to guarantee that that is extraordinarily uncommon. As near zero as it may be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks. Thanks in your perspective. I do know we’ll hold you on velocity dial all through the week.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: To dissect a number of the new financial indicators we have been seeing, we’re joined by Mohamed El-Erian. He’s the chief financial adviser at Allianz.
Welcome again to this system.
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: (Chief Financial Advisor, Allianz): Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You realize, we noticed on Friday this jobs report that indicated job creation stalled a bit in October. There have been some complicating components, like hurricanes and a strike at Boeing. However what’s your perspective on what this means for the subsequent president of the US?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: So, many of the report, as you identified, was distorted in a very necessary method by the strikes by the hurricanes. The underside line, Margaret, is now we have an economic system that has been rising robustly. Inflation is coming down. And the principle problem for the subsequent administration isn’t just to take care of what known as financial exceptionalism, as a result of we’re outperforming all different superior economies, but additionally to proceed to reposition it for the engines of tomorrow’s prosperity. And that is completely essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, we all know the Federal Reserve is assembly later this week, could transfer on rates of interest once more since inflation is round or getting near that 2 % goal. However for common individuals, they see housing costs are excessive, they see grocery costs are nonetheless excessive. The place’s the state of affairs the place these costs really come down?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: Sure, and that is what everyone’s anticipating, but it surely’s not going to occur.
Look, the excellent news is rates of interest will proceed to return down. The excellent news is inflation, which is the speed of improve of the price of residing will come down. But it surely’s very exhausting to carry down costs. And that is one political downside is, if you inform individuals inflation is coming down, of their head they suppose costs are coming down, not the speed of improve of costs. So, it is a misunderstanding, sadly. However you’ve got to watch out what you would like for, as a result of if costs come down considerably, we’re then in one thing a lot worse economically.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that misunderstanding getting used quite a bit on the marketing campaign path, Mohamed, as you understand.
I do know the inventory market isn’t an indicator of what is taking place with the economic system, however it’s forward-looking. This week what ought to we expect as a response to the result of this election?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: So, consider it or not, a number of traders are simply on the sideline. They see so many potentialities, be it for the presidential race, be it for Congress, and even the extent to which what’s promised by presidential candidates will turn out to be coverage. There stands to be a giant hole between the 2. So, fairly a number of traders have mentioned, you understand what, there’s approach an excessive amount of uncertainty. I am simply standing on the sideline and ready to see what emerges.
MARGARET BRENNAN: A niche between what’s promised and what’s delivered is a really diplomatic approach of placing campaigning there, Mohamed. However neither candidate is even making a gesture in the direction of lowering the debt burden on this nation. And by way of what’s being promised, the plans that the vp has put ahead is estimated by this Committee for a Accountable Finances to extend the federal debt by practically $4 trillion by 2035. Donald Trump’s plans would improve it by practically $8 trillion.
Congress, as you urged there, they will put the brakes on something right here. However does this continued promise of spending and no promise of lowering it concern you?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: It does. It does in a giant approach.
Look, it was unthinkable that we might have virtually 30 months of unemployment at 4 % or under and we might run fiscal deficit of six to eight %. Keep in mind, John Kennedy mentioned, when the solar is shining you repair the roof. As a substitute, the solar has been shining on our economic system and we have created extra roofs. Our debt to GDP is 120 % of – our debt is 120 % of GDP.
Look, each candidates, whether or not they prefer it or not, are going to should discover a method to reasonable deficits and debt and critically, Margaret, to create operational flexibility within the funds. The funds is changing into increasingly inflexible, which implies that it is tougher to reply to unanticipated shocks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Unanticipated shocks.
By way of one of many issues that now we have heard from the Trump marketing campaign quite a bit is that this pledge to make use of tariffs to create earnings for the federal government in some way. That is how Donald Trump suggests utilizing them.
Do you view tariffs as a regressive tax that may damage poor individuals by elevating costs for them, or do you view them as in some way, you understand, a rising tide that floats all boats?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: So, tariffs are a harmful instrument. They’ve restricted use, but when they’re overused, they turn out to be counterproductive. It’s – it isn’t a good suggestion to vow the usage of tariffs to ship all kinds of issues. Be it a decrease deficit, be it defending home producers, be it placing stress, leveraging affect on different international locations. Tariffs have a task to play, however to not the extent – and related for the opposite aspect. Industrial coverage and regulation, they each have a task to play.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: However watch out of overreach.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Truthful level.
Mohamed El-Erian, thanks very a lot in your evaluation. The economic system constantly the primary problem for American voters on this election.
We’ll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Becoming a member of us now for a preview of what we’ll all be searching for on Tuesday is our govt director of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.
Anthony, that is neck-and-neck. You have been telling us that for weeks now. What’s it that the campaigns are specializing in and what we ought to be searching for?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Hey there, Margaret. So, begin with this. Right here is the map. The states in white are all these razor-tight battleground states. However let’s get past the margin of error for a second and take a look at a number of the political potentialities. And we are able to present you that in our polling fashions.
Begin with this, what I believe is likely one of the key dynamics on this race. There are voters who say they didn’t vote in 2020 and lots of of them, actually about 4 in ten, say that they positively will this time. Amongst them, particularly the boys amongst them, are for Donald Trump. And the Trump marketing campaign is attempting to show them out.
So, we questioned, what occurs if he does? And I am going to present you. On this map we’ll run that state of affairs by our CBS fashions. And if he does end up a number of these non-voters, these males, they increase him, he would do effectively throughout the solar belt, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and flip Pennsylvania, and that may be sufficient to place him excessive and provides him the win. That is a hypothetical, but it surely reveals you ways a type of marketing campaign dynamics may play out.
Now, on the opposite aspect, there’s one other necessary dynamic, and that’s the gender hole. We have talked about it quite a bit. And I am going to present you a slide from certainly one of our latest polls that illustrate that. So many extra ladies voting for Kamala Harris.
Properly, you’ve got seen the Harris marketing campaign on the market attempting not solely to get ladies turnout, but additionally some crossover from Republicans, and particularly Republican ladies. So, we mentioned, what occurs if she will get these Republican numbers to match nearer to what Joe Biden acquired in 2020, pushed largely by ladies and Republican ladies. If I put that state of affairs into the map right here, our fashions present that she would maintain the blue wall states throughout the higher Midwest, hold Georgia in her column, even flip North Carolina, and that may give her an Electoral School victory.
All of this, once more, hypothetical. But it surely places it in political phrases, a number of the dynamics that might play out, and we’ll be watching, on election night time, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you will be watching in actual time as the info is available in to the desk.
What’s it that we ought to be monitoring all through the night time?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: So, we’ll present you every part because it is available in. And the very first thing I’ll present you is the place the votes are, as a result of typically, and I am going to pull up the 2020 map right here in Georgia simply for example, you are going to see pink areas, Republican, you are going to see blue areas, Democratic. However I am all the time going to point out, there are extra individuals in a few of these place than others. If I take this map and I rotate it, you will – what you will see within the instance of Georgia is, the upper bars mirror extra votes, and there is extra voters in Atlanta and metro Atlanta. And Democrats have to do effectively in locations like that. Actually get a number of turnout there. Whereas throughout rural areas, you see it is extra flat on the map right here. Not as many votes however Republicans very constantly type of add to their margins there. That is a technique we’ll present you the state in full.
The opposite factor I’ll watch is patterns, shifts from the final election to this one. Once more, for example, if I have been to point out you the shift that occurred from 2016 to 2020, in Georgia, Democrats, Joe Biden on the time, acquired a number of these counties round metro Atlanta shifting blue, these rural areas shifted pink, Republicans. We’ll see if one thing like that occurs once more. So it is the place the votes come from, how they shift and the very last thing, in a short time, Margaret, I am going to remind everyone is, endurance. If I have been to take that very same Georgia timeline and present you what it seemed like at say 9:00 p.m., simply after ballot closed, a pair hours, you see a lot uncounted votes nonetheless in Georgia, Metro Atlanta hadn’t counted but, et cetera. If this sample comes out once more on election night time, we’ll need to say, maintain on, let’s watch for all of the votes to get counted earlier than we all know the winner.
Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Persistence is a advantage.
Anthony, thanks.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us right this moment. Thanks all for watching. Till subsequent week. For FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.
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