On this “Face the Nation” broadcast, moderated by Nancy Cordes:
- Republican vice-presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance of Ohio
- Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, a Democrat
- Gary Cohn, former director of the U.S. Nationwide Financial Council
- David Becker, Middle of Election Innovation and Analysis government director and CBS contributor, and Chris Krebs, former director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Safety Company and CBS Information cybersecurity skilled and analyst
Click on right here to browse full transcripts of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan.
And this week on Face the Nation: The marketing campaign 2024 curler coaster continues with 51 days left earlier than Election Day. The candidates step up their pitches to voters and key constituencies.
With their debate within the rearview mirror, former President Trump and Vice President Harris can now give attention to touting their marketing campaign insurance policies on every part from no taxes on additional time, his, to a $25,000 credit score for first- time homebuyers, hers.
Donald Trump is placing migrants on the middle of all of it.
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of america (R) and Present U.S. Presidential Candidate): Springfield was this lovely city, and now they are going by hell. It is a unhappy factor. Not going to occur with me, I can let you know proper now. Thanks very a lot.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: He’s proper concerning the troubled occasions within the Ohio city, however not concerning the false right-wing conspiracies relating to Haitian migrants.
We’ll discuss to Trump’s operating mate, Senator J.D. Vance, in addition to Harris marketing campaign surrogate Maryland Governor Wes Moore.
Plus: from tax cuts to tax credit. We’ll get a actuality test on a few of these financial proposals from each candidates that sound too good to be true from Trump’s former White Home financial adviser Gary Cohn.
We will even test in with election regulation skilled David Becker on the vote-by- mail course of. And we’ll get the newest on overseas affect campaigns and the rising influence of conspiracy theories from cybersecurity skilled and analyst Chris Krebs.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
Now we have quite a bit to get to this morning, and we start with Republican vice presidential nominee Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio.
Welcome again to Face the Nation.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE (R-Ohio) (Vice Presidential Candidate): Thanks, Margaret. Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, we heard from Donald Trump this week that he desires to finish all taxes on additional time pay for staff. How would this exemption work? Would this imply somebody working a 40-hour workweek would then not pay payroll taxes and never pay earnings taxes?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, that is precisely how he envisions it. After all, we’re speaking about hourly staff. And, after all, if you work additional time on this nation past 40 hours, you get time-and-a-half.
And the president is saying, should you’re a kind of choose exhausting staff that is actually busting your rear finish to attempt to make good in Kamala Harris’ economic system, then you must get a tax reduce. And I believe it matches totally, Margaret, along with his complete tax agenda, which is, we would like American staff to get tax cuts beneath President Trump’s insurance policies, and we wish to truly penalize corporations which are transport jobs abroad by tariffs.
And Kamala Harris’ tax insurance policies are, actually, the inversion of that. She desires to boost taxes on American staff and truly reward corporations for transport jobs abroad. So, it’s a actually stark distinction between the agenda of Donald Trump and of Kamala Harris.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However simply to comply with up on that, you stated penalize corporations who ship jobs abroad. So your tariff coverage would solely apply to these corporations who’re transport jobs abroad?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, virtually by definition, Margaret, if you apply a tariff, what you are actually doing is making use of a penalty to any individual who manufactures or makes one thing abroad.
You are mainly charging them a penalty to deliver it again into our nation. And so what we’re making an attempt to do right here with these – these tariffs is definitely induce extra individuals to make extra issues in america of America.
One of many nice tragedies of not simply Kamala Harris’ management, however 40 years of American failure, is that we have misplaced our essential manufacturing industries to Mexico, to China. We began to undo that for 4 years beneath Donald Trump’s management, however we have got to do it for for much longer and in a way more intense method, as a result of, as we have discovered simply in the previous few days, the world has gotten extra harmful.
We will not depend on different individuals to make the stuff we’d like.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is cheaper to fabricate abroad, which is why so many corporations do it, however that – however that is one other situation.
Simply to comply with up on the promise you make to working-class voters, you are actually saying no tax on ideas, no tax on additional time, no tax on earnings from Social Safety. All of that might wipe out a giant chunk of the tax base.
Do you actually suppose that fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress are going to vote for this?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, I believe, clearly, Republicans consider American staff ought to hold extra of their very own cash.
And, sure, I believe that if we truly steadiness this out by penalizing a few of these corporations for manufacturing abroad, I do suppose that we are able to get this to steadiness out in the suitable method, Margaret, the place we’re not blowing a gap within the deficit, we’re giving staff extra their cash, however, to your level, we’re truly making it simpler to make issues in america of America.
Now, you are precisely proper. Generally, it’s a little bit cheaper to fabricate abroad, however we’ve got to ask why that’s. It is as a result of lots of these overseas nations use literal slave labor in manufacturing. We shouldn’t be permitting slave laborers to learn from American markets. If you’d like entry to our market, you have to pay our staff honest wages.
That’s the Trump agenda, and it is one thing he already carried out as soon as, by the best way, Margaret, however goes to double down on in a second time period.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the ten % to 60 % tariffs, you are saying, that is only a vary, and you will determine precisely who it applies to should you win the election?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, I believe it’s a must to take some recognition, Margaret, that this can be a negotiating tactic. You go into a few of these negotiations.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: And, generally, you are going to must do increased tariffs. Generally, you would possibly be capable of do decrease tariffs, however I do not suppose you go in saying you are going to do precisely this on each nation.
You utilize that as a part of the negotiation. That is one factor that Donald Trump was so good at throughout his first time period, is definitely negotiating with overseas nations and benefiting American staff within the course of.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: When you say you are not going to do any tariffs, you are mainly going into these commerce negotiations utterly unilaterally disarmed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: You don’t need any individual who’s negotiating for American staff who’s already saying, I am not going to make use of an important instrument, which is precisely what Kamala Harris has finished.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, Harris and Biden have used tariffs in strategic methods on strategic industries, and it sounds such as you’re saying you will even be strategic there.
You signify Ohio right here in Washington, and your state’s governor is asking for federal assist to cope with the inflow of about 15,000 migrants over the previous 4 years, which has strained the well being system, he says, faculties – triggered issues of safety.
You’ve got been speaking about these issues, however what have you ever finished to assist Governor DeWine along with his request for federal assist?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, an important factor that we are able to do to help Governor DeWine and the entire state of Ohio, and, frankly, the entire nation, Margaret, is to cease Kamala Harris’ open border.
And, for 2 years, I’ve been preventing for insurance policies that do precisely that. You need to ask your self, why have these 20,000 Haitian migrants been dropped right into a small Ohio city in just some years, Margaret? And the reply is as a result of Kamala Harris carried out what’s known as Non permanent Protecting Service (sic) for over 100,000 Haitian migrants.
She mainly, with a magic wand, granted amnesty to hundreds of people that should not have been on this nation. And now a small Ohio city is coping with the implications.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: And to anyone listening, Margaret, that is what Kamala Harris desires to do to each city on this nation, overwhelm them with migration, stress their municipal budgets, see communicable illnesses on the rise.
What is going on in Springfield is coming to each city and metropolis on this nation if Kamala Harris’ open border insurance policies are allowed to proceed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, let me…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: We have got to cease this. Americans are struggling due to what she’s finished. And – please.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Here is the actual fact – sure, here is the information, although.
Lots of these Haitian migrants moved there by selection as a result of they’ve Non permanent Protected Standing, which supplies them the flexibility to work. That TPS, Non permanent Protecting Standing, has been in place since 2010. And, actually, Donald Trump renewed Non permanent Protecting Standing for Haitians when he was president.
Ought to he not have finished that?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, let me, let me do some fact-check, Margaret, as a result of there was a renewal in June of 2017, I consider, which was very early in Donald Trump’s presidency.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: And he truly ended it in 2018, that Non permanent Protecting Service (sic) for Haitian migrants…
MARGARET BRENNAN: He regrets having…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Kamala Harris, when she grew to become president – or vp…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Kamala Harris reimplemented it as vp, and now you’ve got seen this large explosion simply in the previous few years.
I imply, Margaret, simply to provide some context right here, there have been perhaps 1,000 Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio simply three years in the past. Now there’s shut to twenty,000. And it is inconceivable to overstate it is overwhelmed native providers.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, so I perceive you wish to finish…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: In faculties, you’ve got 1,000 youngsters now in a small district.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You wish to finish Non permanent Protected Standing?
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SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Please contextualize this, Margaret, as a result of 1,000 youngsters who do not communicate English, so now the youngsters who’re in that faculty district will not be getting a very good schooling.
The native well being providers have turn out to be overwhelmed. It is a horrible tragedy. And I believe it is necessary, Margaret, to say we’re not mad at Haitian migrants for desirous to have a greater life. We’re offended at Kamala Harris for letting this occur to a small Ohio city.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, Governor DeWine has been calling consideration to it and asking for federal assist.
On September 9, you amplified what you stated your self have been rumors about Haitian migrants consuming pets. Donald Trump then claimed these have been information, and he repeated them to 67 million individuals on the talk stage this previous week.
In Springfield yesterday, two hospitals went into lockdown after police have been alerted to a bomb risk. On Friday, two elementary faculties, one center faculty have been evacuated. Thursday, an elementary faculty was additionally evacuated, and Springfield Metropolis Corridor needed to evacuate attributable to a bomb risk made by somebody who stated they have been involved about immigration.
These false claims are endangering your constituents. Do you remorse your phrases?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Nicely, Margaret, initially, we condemn all violence and condemn all threats of violence.
I would like whoever made these threats to be prosecuted to the complete extent of the regulation. However we do not consider, Margaret, in a heckler’s veto on this nation. You’ll be able to condemn violence on the one hand, whereas additionally saying that there have been horrible issues brought on by Kamala Harris’ open border in Springfield.
Now, you stated that these are false rumors. Nicely, I’ve heard a few dozen issues from my constituents in Springfield, Ohio. Ten of them are verifiable and confirmable. A few them, we’ve got direct firsthand accounts of, for instance, migrants abducting geese on the native park and slaughtering them and consuming them.
Now, perhaps all of those constituents are mendacity to me, however I’d respect if the American media confirmed up and did some actual investigation, quite than amplifying the worst individuals on the planet.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Why is any individual calling in a bomb risk, Margaret? It is as a result of they need consideration. I believe that we must always ignore these ridiculous psychopaths who’re threatening violence on a small Ohio city and give attention to the truth that we’ve got a vp who isn’t doing her job in defending that small Ohio city.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Nicely, CBS did hear from group members in Springfield who work with migrants, and so they have talked about safety issues.
I do know the mayor of Springfield, a Republican, advised ABC Information: “We have been punched in a method we must always not have been punched.” He stated: “All these federal politicians which have negatively spun our metropolis, they should know they’re hurting our metropolis, and it was their phrases who did it.”
Your phrases, sir. Do you remorse them?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Margaret, we have been listening to about these issues for months, even in some instances for years,.
And the issue right here isn’t that Donald Trump and I’ve known as out what’s occurred to Springfield. We have heard from so many constituents who’re grateful.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No, I’ve talked concerning the issues and cited Governor DeWine saying extra official issues.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: However, Margaret…
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am not asking about that. Now we have documented that.
I am asking about your phrases sir, which you’re liable for.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: However, Margaret, you solely documented it after Donald Trump known as consideration to it.
And so, look, with all respect to the Springfield mayor…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You tweeted September 9.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: … we have heard from many individuals who dwell in his city who’re grateful, who’re grateful, Margaret, for the truth that we are actually speaking about these issues and making an attempt to resolve them.
We do not need something dangerous to occur to Springfield, however the worst factor that is occurred to Springfield within the final 20 years is that Kamala Harris allowed 20,000 migrants to be dropped on the entrance door with no plan to assimilate them, no plan to take care of them, no plan to assist the residents cope with the large pressure on social providers.
I perceive. Look, I discuss to lots of people in Springfield. Individuals are annoyed with the nationwide media consideration. Some individuals are additionally grateful that, lastly, somebody is taking note of what is going on on. You are by no means going to get these things excellent, Margaret. However that is why Kamala Harris should not have finished this within the first place. These individuals are struggling as a result of she did not do her job.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once more, the Springfield mayor is a Republican. That is who I used to be quoting to you.
Yesterday, you posted a video, the origins of which CBS can’t verify, claiming Africans are grilling cats in Dayton. Haiti isn’t Africa. Dayton isn’t Springfield.
However placing all that apart, what’s your intent in furthering the give attention to these individuals? You are not speaking about the best way to surge federal funds to assist with security, hospitals, and faculties. You are speaking about this.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Margaret, is your argument actually that it is an enormous distinction if migrants are grilling cats 20 miles away from Springfield, quite than downtown Springfield?
And wouldn’t it change if the video was 20 miles nearer to the place this stuff allegedly occurred? My level right here is that the American media ignores these tales. Everyone who has handled a big inflow of migration is aware of that generally there are cultural practices that appear very far on the market to lots of People.
Are we not allowed to speak about this in america of America, Margaret, as a result of the American media is extra actually checking harmless people who find themselves begging for reduction than they’re in investigating a few of these claims?
I will speak about what my constituents are sending me. That video was truly filmed by a constituent. That video was filmed by an individual who’s nervous about what is going on on in these communities. I will speak about it, as a result of that is what I must do as america senator for Ohio, is signify Ohio and truly make it possible for individuals’s issues get their voice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once more, as a consultant of Ohio, these are officers from Ohio, together with the Dayton police chief, who stated there isn’t a proof of what you simply claimed as being verifiable or true.
CBS confirmed – we have been in a position to verify this video, and it was of the Proud Boys marching by Springfield yesterday. We all know hate teams have been amplifying the issues about Haitians for weeks.
What precisely – what constituency are you making an attempt to attraction to right here by placing this on the middle of the dialog?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Margaret, initially, no matter some – a neighborhood mayor stated about this case, I’m listening to from dozens of constituents who’re involved about these points.
They’re allowed to be involved about these points, and I believe it is shameful how the American media ignores them.
Now, you talked about a Proud Boys march. I think about that is the clip that I noticed yesterday of a few dozen individuals marching down the road. After all, I do not align myself with the views of the Proud Boys, Margaret, however we’ve got to keep in mind that this can be a actual drawback. The media is utilizing issues like a dozen marchers to disregard and distract from the truth that, due to Kamala Harris’ open borders, there are kids who don’t get a very good schooling.
Due to her open border, there’s a rise in HIV instances in Springfield, Ohio. Due to her open border, murders are up 81 % in Springfield, Ohio. I’m rather more involved concerning the vp of america failing to do her job than I’m {that a} dozen individuals carried the fallacious flag after they have been marching in Springfield, Ohio, yesterday.
Let’s give attention to the true drawback. That is the vp of america not doing her job.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator J.D. Vance, a lot extra to speak to you about. Now we have to go away it there right this moment. I do know you are pressed for time.
Face the Nation will likely be again in a minute. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by Maryland Democratic Governor Wes Moore. He is a member of the Harris marketing campaign’s Nationwide Advisory Board.
Governor, I’ve quite a bit to get to with you, however I wish to begin on the place we left the dialog with the senator from Ohio, J.D. Vance.
He argues that speaking about this pressure on the local people from migrant populations shouldn’t be dismissed as racist by the Harris marketing campaign and must be mentioned on its deserves – deserves. What do you make of the continued push to focus the dialog right here?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE (D-Maryland): Nicely, I imply, there is a outstanding quantity of not simply inaccuracies, however dog-whistling that we heard from that.
However, you understand, of all the various issues that I believe have been actually problematic with what Senator Vance stated, when – on the finish of the interview, when he began speaking concerning the – just a few native elected official and what they must say, these are people who find themselves closest to the bottom.
These are the people who find themselves closest to their constituents. These are public servants, and these are companions contained in the work. And within the case of that Mayor, that is a Republican who’s saying that, that this is not about politics, and it isn’t about politicizing this situation.
We all know that to have the ability to deal with these points, and significantly massive, complicated points just like the border disaster that our nation continues to confront, we’ve got to do it in partnership. And I believe, if you’re listening to these form of feedback from somebody who’s – who’s aspiring to be the vp of america, I believe for all of us, as native and statewide elected officers, it simply offers a way about how he views partnership and the way he views the intelligence that is coming from us who’re on the bottom having to cope with these challenges.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The governor of Ohio, a Republican, additionally once more right this moment stated the claims being made there weren’t borne out by truth.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However he is additionally asking for federal assist with a really actual factor, pressure from the migrant inhabitants.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Ought to the Harris marketing campaign speak about that extra? Ought to the federal authorities be doing extra?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Sure, effectively, the federal authorities completely must do extra, as does Congress, and I believe that that is a part of the explanation why the frustration that we noticed when it got here to issues just like the border deal, which was a bipartisan deal that we had each Democrat and Republican help for, that one of many anchors and one of many one of many authors was some of the conservative individuals inside Congress, Senator Lankford.
And the deal was killed as a result of Donald Trump stated that this was not going to be advantageous to my marketing campaign.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: So the problem is, is, what we’re seeing from – from each Donald Trump and J.D. Vance is, we’re receiving political speaking factors.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: However we’re not – however we’re not receiving truly actionable concepts to have the ability to deal with the problem.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However I suppose, on the problem of empathy or understanding, ought to there be extra recognition? Not simply, oh, we tried and it did not get by up on the nationwide stage, however on the native?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Attain out to Governor DeWine and say, I perceive you’ve got issues together with your hospitals, together with your security, with the languages? These issues are actual.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Sure, they’re actual. And, frankly, these conversations have occurred.
You recognize, we have had conversations for – persevering with on for months with the White Home, with the administration about what we’re seeing on the bottom and concerning the helps that we’d like. So, we all know that we even have an administration that’s working in partnership with us.
And within the case of Vice President Harris, we’ve got a presidential candidate who truly makes use of the facility of non-public connection to have the ability to join with us as state and native leaders, from what we’re seeing within the state of Maryland, what different governors are seeing across the nation, and truly arising with plans collectively to have the ability to deal with this disaster.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you concerning the Harris marketing campaign, since you are out campaigning for them.
And there is a massive push within the coming days to focus in on black voters specifically. The NAACP launched a ballot on Friday that confirmed, whereas Black People overwhelmingly – overwhelmingly determine as Democrats, over one- quarter of Black males beneath 50 stated they’d help the Republican candidate on this 12 months’s election.
Why do you suppose that youthful male Black voters are altering their affiliation like this?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: You recognize, I believe there’s a – you understand, particularly for youthful black males, there’s a frustration.
But it surely’s not essentially frustration with Vice President Harris, and it isn’t even essentially a frustration with the Democratic Get together. Frankly, it is a frustration of the tempo of progress in America.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: You recognize, I take into consideration my state. In my state, once I was inaugurated, we had an eight-to-one racial wealth hole within the state of Maryland.
And that is not as a result of one group was working eight occasions tougher. That is due to historic insurance policies and circumstances. After I’m – I am the third African American ever elected governor within the historical past of america. That is not as a result of I am solely the third African American ever certified to be a governor.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: And so I believe the factor that we proceed to see – and, frankly, I believe that debate was truly an ideal illustration – the place, for many people, we grew up being advised by our members of the family you have to work 10 occasions as exhausting with a view to get forward, with a view to get a possibility.
We noticed Donald Trump stroll on that debate stage uniquely and traditionally unprepared, and since he thinks he can win on a whim. And so I believe the frustration that individuals really feel is actual, however I believe the factor that we’re persevering with to push to lots of voters, significantly African-American voters, is that Donald Trump is a vessel to the skepticism, however what he’s not is definitely a car for the answer.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about one thing on the talk stage that the vp stated. I do know you served within the Military and also you deployed to Afghanistan.
In the course of the debate, Vice President Harris stated this:
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KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of america (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): As of right this moment, there may be not one member of america navy who’s in energetic obligation in a fight zone in any struggle zone world wide, the primary time this century,
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is false. That is alienating the navy households. What was the intent?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Nicely, I believe what was – what the intent was – was that this isn’t, you understand, counter to the – to the convictions of the Trump administration that in some way our world was safer beneath him, or we had much less individuals in battle.
That’s simply not true. However I believe the actually necessary factor to recollect is, is that we do have people who find themselves in hurt’s method each single day. Now we have – we’ve got troopers, sailors, airmen and Marines, Coast Guardsmen who each single day are on the market with our flag on their shoulder and who’re defending our freedoms and defending our values.
Now we have to make it possible for we’re not simply supporting them of their operations, but additionally ensuring that we’re supporting them after they come again dwelling, ensuring that we’re supporting their households and, frankly, what we’ve got seen from this administration, the place we noticed an administration who was in a position to go issues just like the PACT Act to make it possible for we’re addressing – we’re addressing the individuals getting back from Iraq and Afghanistan who’re having burn pit publicity, that we even have an administration who’s specializing in issues like having the ability to help a Division of Veterans Affairs.
And the factor that we have truly heard, actually, just lately, as just lately as yesterday, from Senator Vance is that he desires to denationalise the Division of Veterans Affairs. We have got to ensure we’re supporting our troopers, our sailors, our airmen and Marines, not simply whereas they’re deployed, but additionally whereas they’re coming dwelling.
And, frankly, we’ve got one marketing campaign, the Harris/Walz marketing campaign, that really has a imaginative and prescient for that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, thanks in your time right this moment.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Thanks a lot.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be proper again with much more Face the Nation. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: CBS Information will likely be internet hosting the primary and solely vice presidential debate between Ohio Senator J.D. Vance and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz. You’ll be able to watch it proper right here on CBS on October the first or stream it on our Paramount+ and CBS Information apps.
We will likely be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will likely be proper again with Gary Cohn, the vice chairman of IBM and former White Home financial adviser.
Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We’re joined now by the vice chairman of IBM, Gary Cohn, who additionally served as former President Trump’s high financial adviser within the White Home.
Good to have you ever again right here.
It is anticipated to be a really massive week with the Federal Reserve anticipated to chop rates of interest as a result of inflation does look like moderating. How massive of a reduce do you anticipate and what’s going to this imply for costs, significantly for housing, which is such a giant a part of inflation?
GARY COHN (Vice Chairman, IBM): So, Margaret, let me – let me take one fast step again. The Federal Reserve has a twin mandate. They’ve a twin mandate of steady costs, which suggests they battle inflation, and so they have a second mandate, which is full employment. For the final 4 years they have been preventing the steady costs mandate. They’ve needed to deliver inflation down. We obtained inflation as excessive as 9.1 %. We have seen the Fed elevate rates of interest from zero to 5 plus %. That has successfully dropped inflation again to 2.5 %.
We’re now to the purpose the place the opposite facet of the twin mandate is kicking in. We’re now beginning to see unemployment tick up. We’re now over 4 % unemployment. So, the Fed goes to begin reducing rates of interest. All of us consider about 25 foundation factors this week, and perhaps about 100 foundation factors, or 1 %, between now and the tip of the 12 months.
What the Federal Reserve has management over is, they’ve management over the very short-term in a single day rate of interest. They do not management longer dated maturities or longer dated yields. When individuals take out a mortgage, they’re borrowing cash generally for as much as 30 years. These charges will not be affected by what the Federal Reserve does. Sadly, I believe that these charge have already priced in what the Federal Reserve goes to do. So, I don’t see a significant influence to the mortgage market or bank card financing or the rest by the Fed beginning to drop charges this week.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is attention-grabbing as a result of we noticed that the Federal Reserve of New York cited the very best bank card delinquency charge in over a decade. Round 9.1 % of bank card balances turned delinquent over the previous 12 months. That implies shoppers are beneath strain.
GARY COHN: Sure, shoppers are beneath monumental strain. So, bear in mind, all of us got here out of Covid with the shoppers in the very best steadiness sheets we had seen in our lifetimes. We had put an infinite quantity of stimulus into shopper’s steadiness sheets. When the economic system reopened, shoppers did what we actually know the best way to do effectively in america, isn’t solely spend what they’ve of their account, they use all of the capability on their bank cards. Individuals went out and spent. They took holidays. We noticed that they spent some huge cash on their home. They usually went out and obtained their bank cards totally charged up. They assumed that the economic system was going to remain robust. They assumed that job development was going to – going to remain regular. They assumed that they’d proceed to have the ability to preserve that way of life.
We’re beginning to see softness within the economic system, softness within the job market. We’re seeing it is tougher and tougher to get a job. And so we’re beginning to see it in delinquencies and bank cards. That is precisely the place we’d begin to see the softness within the economic system. And individuals are going to proceed to have hassle getting a job that pays greater than the final job.
We simply obtained finished with the cycle – and we see this within the financial information – we simply obtained finished with the cycle the place lots of people have been – have been quitting their job. Individuals solely give up their job after they consider they will get a job at a better worth level.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, that is going to be the economic system the subsequent president inherits.
You simply heard J.D. Vance, the senator, say right here that Donald Trump desires to finish all taxes on additional time. No earnings tax, no payroll tax. Desires to finish the tax on ideas and Social Safety. That is going so as to add someplace between $4 trillion and $6 trillion to the deficit over the subsequent ten years.
Does this math add as much as you?
GARY COHN: So, Margaret, look, I believe each elected politician wish to say nobody has to pay taxes on something. And I believe each American citizen would really like to not pay taxes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Positive, why not.
GARY COHN: I imply, why not. That might be an ideal utopian world the place we did not must pay taxes. I do not suppose there is a actuality in that.
Keep in mind, on the finish of the day, the federal government has a budgetary course of. It is a very intricate budgetary course of the place we absorb income. The most important income creators we’ve got within the authorities is taxes. Taxation on people. Taxation on companies. They absorb that income, after which they spend it. They spend it for the products and providers that we, as residents, anticipate them to supply for us.
Right this moment the largest single expense that we’ve got within the federal authorities at $3 billion a day is curiosity on the debt. The second largest expense we’ve got is our navy. Our navy prices us $2 billion a day. You then begin working you method down into all of the social providers and merchandise that each citizen on this nation desires. If we’re not paying taxes into the system, how will we pay for the curiosity on debt, how will we defend our nation, how will we give out the social providers that residents of this nation anticipate the federal authorities to be delivering to them?
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that is why I requested to the senator whether or not fiscally conservative Republicans will ever vote for what the Trump ticket is proposing right here. And the response was that the federal government would absorb cash from tariffs. And Senator Vance stated that is not simply on overseas made items, however items made by corporations who produce abroad. That appears to open up punishments for American corporations too.
What’s he signaling right here? What do you suppose this implies?
GARY COHN: I am not 100% what he means. However – however let’s take a step again and take a look at tariffs, as a result of I believe all of us speak about tariffs and I believe we have to perceive tariffs.
Initially, I believe tariffs is a crucial instruction for any president to have. It is a – it is a very influential instrument that they’ve after they’re coping with any overseas authorities.
The way in which tariffs are used successfully, and I help this, is when a rustic is producing a product considerably beneath the place we are able to produce it on this nation as a result of they’ve a aggressive benefit. So, in China, they don’t pay for capital. The – many of the corporations are authorities or state- owned entities so subsequently their price to capital is zero. They don’t pay residing wages to their workers. So, subsequently, their price of labor is considerably decrease than us. They do not have environmental controls, to allow them to pollute all they need. So, their means to supply a product is considerably completely different than that in america.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
GARY COHN: China produces an electrical car, let’s name it at $20,000 a automotive. We produce fairly first rate electrical autos, Ford and GM produce them, within the $30,000 a automotive vary. It appears utterly affordable for me, if the U.S. authorities desires to tariff, and they need to tariff, the Chinese language electrical car, as much as a worth equal to and I’d say even increased than the U.S. car, as a result of we –
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Biden administration is doing that.
GARY COHN: We wish to defend these jobs in America. We must always not permit them to make use of their unfair benefit to drawback American staff.
On the flip facet, we import many merchandise that we don’t produce on this nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
GARY COHN: These merchandise are in excessive demand, and we’d like them. Plenty of them are prescribed drugs. Many different merchandise that we anticipate to have on our cabinets after we go within the retailer. If we begin tariffing these merchandise, we could have inflation. To the extent that we wish to produce these merchandise on this nation, we must always begin out on a really methodical path to try this. And I believe we simply noticed the best way that may be finished fairly moderately. The CHIPS Act, which was handed a 12 months in the past, was a chunk of presidency laws that claims, we’ll give chips producers cash to construct foundries in america so we are able to construct chips right here. After which we – we are able to turn out to be self-sufficient on chip manufacturing.
Then you understand what we are able to do? Then we are able to tariff overseas chips from flooding our market at a reduction worth. However till we’ve got the capability to construct them ourselves, placing a tariff on these chips would simply be debilitating to our economic system.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. It is extra sophisticated, in different phrases, than – that what we’re listening to on the marketing campaign path.
Taxes are going to go up, as you’ve got talked about on this program earlier than, December 31, 2025. The brand new president and the Congress are going to have to come back to an settlement on this. You have been the architect of these tax cuts that Donald Trump says he desires to increase. How do you anticipate Congress and the White Home to work out the place we will find yourself?
GARY COHN: So, taxes on the private facet change on December 31, 2025.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Particular person tax charges.
GARY COHN: The person tax charge. The company tax charge is everlasting.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Though each campaigns wish to change it.
GARY COHN: Sure, effectively, look, everytime you begin down the trail of doing tax laws, every part’s on the desk.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GARY COHN: You recognize, so – so I’d assume that they may take a look at each company and particular person tax charges. Taxes are – are very sophisticated. However as you’ve got identified, to alter the tax regulation, it is a legislative course of on this nation. You want the Home and the Senate and the White Home to agree.
I believe the composition of the – the Home and the Senate are going to be crucial to what remaining tax laws appears to be like like. And I do suppose there may be rising and rising opposition, in each the Home and the Senate, and I’d say on either side of the aisle, for a big deficit tax plan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Of all these plans being proposed by the Harris marketing campaign and the Trump marketing campaign include super worth tags. What I believe you simply stated is that Congress wouldn’t comply with log off on any of them, is that proper?
GARY COHN: Nicely – sure. What I am – what I am saying is, the tax plans as proposed proper now –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GARY COHN: Spend some huge cash, deliver – do not herald that a lot cash.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
GARY COHN: So, subsequently, the web impact of that’s we enhance america deficit. I do not suppose there may be lots of urge for food within the Congress to try this. Now we have grown our deficit fairly considerably during the last 4 or 5 years. A few of that due to the pandemic. And – and that is when the federal government must be constructing a deficit. They need to be constructing a deficit when there is a pandemic as a result of that’s their middle position is to –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GARY COHN: To keep up the soundness of the nation. In higher occasions, after we’ve obtained substantial financial development, we must be making an attempt to pay down that deficit to place ourselves in a greater place. We’re now in a kind of higher occasions, or at the least not a – a nasty time. And so I do not consider that Congress has a big urge for food to go a tax plan, on both facet, that has an enormous deficit element to it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Gary Cohn, extra to speak about with you, however we have got to go away it there for right this moment. Good to have you ever again.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: For extra on the upcoming election and the efforts underway to safe the vote, we flip to David Becker. He is a former civil rights lawyer on the Division of Justice, who no leads the Middle of Election, Innovation and Analysis. He is additionally a CBS contributor on election regulation. And Chris Krebs, the previous director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Safety Company, now an skilled and analyst right here at CBS.
Good to have you ever each.
David, let me begin with you.
We noticed this letter this previous week from secretaries of state in all 50 acknowledged and the District of Columbia issuing concern that we might see voters disenfranchised as a result of this enhance in mail returned as undeliverable at increased than regular charges, even in instances the place a voter is thought to not have moved. And Donald Trump was tweet about this, this morning, you may’t belief the postal service.
How a lot of an issue is that this going to be for mail-in voting?
DAVID BECKER: Nicely, it is a potential drawback. I am listening to this from – from state officers and native officers, after all, they’re within the states. And we’re seeing mail voting unfold as an choice across the nation. I believe we’re more likely to see much less mail voting than we did in 2020 as a result of hopefully we can’t have a pandemic to cope with in 2024. But it surely’s a big drawback and it actually stresses the significance of voters to make a plan after they’re voting.
Virtually each voter in america has an choice to vote early in individual. Ninety-seven % of all of them in each state aside from Mississippi, Alabama and New Hampshire. Thirty-six states and D.C. do provide mail voting with out an excuse. But when you are going to vote by mail, get your poll early, request it early, be sure you get it, after which return it early. If you are going to return it by the mail, that is fantastic, simply do it very early. There’s additionally choices for drop containers and dropping it off at election places of work and vote facilities. That is going to be extremely necessary for voters to self-educate about these choices simply in case there are issues with the postal service.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And it is this coming week, proper, the place it is voter registration, or vote consciousness. What’s it?
DAVID BECKER: So – sure. So, this coming week, on Tuesday, is Nationwide Voter Registration Day.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Registration day.
DAVID BECKER: There’s nonetheless loads of time to register as we sit right here right this moment. There’s three weeks left in each state. Some states go for much longer than that. However irrespective of the place you’re, should you’re an eligible voter, you may go to vote.gov. That is an ideal place to begin. Taylor Swift talked about it earlier this week. And it is an ideal place to begin and get registered. Each eligible voter in america can nonetheless test their registration and get registered for at the least three weeks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Put it in your to-do record.
Chris, I wish to speak about a few of the data, atmosphere points, that we’re in. It isn’t each FACE THE NATION that we start speaking about rumors of cats and canines and geese in Ohio. The explanation we’re doing it’s as a result of the Republican nominee on the talk stage repeated one thing that began as a Fb rumor that obtained amplified that the senator from Ohio says resulted in calls to his workplace.
This – you’ve got watched this sort of echo chamber and eco system of knowledge. What do you make of a second like this and – and the way incessantly issues like this get replicated now? Like, how does somebody at dwelling navigate fact after we – I went by truth test after truth test, the police chief, the mayor, the governor and many times and once more I used to be advised, nope, you are fallacious.
CHRIS KREBS: Sure. I imply the – the – the actual fact of the matter is, social media, whether or not it is Fb, Twitter, X, no matter, it is – it isn’t the true world. It isn’t actuality. And so, it supplies an atmosphere the place specious claims like this will catch hearth, however they are usually constrained to that platform.
What we noticed on Tuesday was the firewall between mainstream and actuality, on this extraordinarily on-line eco-system, break down and so they crossed over. And remember the fact that these social media platforms, effectively, Fb has a billion plus customers on a month-to-month foundation. X has a lot, a lot fewer. And so what occurred Tuesday evening was the overwhelming majority of individuals, there are 57 million, I believe, viewers of the – the talk, the overwhelming majority of them had by no means heard about this cats and canines being barbecued in Springfield, Ohio. And the – you understand, I anticipated it as a result of, you understand, sadly, David and I’ve to dwell on this world to anticipate what’s coming. And so I had seen it going by social media for a pair days and I totally anticipated it to leap, you understand, into the – the dialog and go mainstream. And, growth, there it’s.
So, to your query, or to your level, how does one form of, you understand, introduce some form of private resilience right here. And it is precisely doing what you do. Go to mainstream outlet and trusted retailers and – and do some little bit of truth checking, verification. And take heed to the general public officers. Take heed to Governor DeWine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
CHRIS KREBS: Take heed to the mayor and the town supervisor, who’s to know higher than somebody that is truly prepared to place their face and their identify to a declare quite than somebody randomly on a social media platform.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And this may turn out to be more and more related as we get to voting.
CHRIS KREBS: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And going to voting amenities. Not Fb rumors, the elected officers, the individuals who maintain workplace. That is who we as journalist cite.
CHRIS KREBS: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that is who individuals at dwelling ought to look to.
CHRIS KREBS: Nicely, and to David’s level about vote.gov and having a voting plan, sure, that’s completely essential. However if you do come throughout rumors on-line of registration dates altering, or voting areas or precincts closing, there are methods that you simply, as a person voter, can go verify. And that tends to go to the native election official, or the secretary of state. Trusted Data 2024. That is the marketing campaign that the Nationwide Affiliation of Secretaries of State and the Nationwide Affiliation of State Election Administrators have mounted now for 3 election cycles in a row. It is go to the authoritative supply in your jurisdiction, which tends to be your secretary of state, your state election director or your native election officers.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, within the final election, we noticed a few of these native officers rise up in a method that was – it took lots of guts to face as much as federal strain. You noticed that within the state of Georgia. You noticed that within the state of Arizona.
You communicate to election officers in states round this nation proper now. The place are you seeing that power and are there areas of concern?
DAVID BECKER: So, I am seeing super power from the election officers even though they have been beneath strain, stress, abuse and harassment for 4 years now. That their work has regularly withstood each little bit of scrutiny that is been utilized. And the truth that since 2020 each election they’ve run has been run very effectively and equally withstood that scrutiny.
However they’re nonetheless exhausted. This disinformation atmosphere Chris is speaking about, that has actual world impacts on our neighbors, on our fellow residents who’re working each day to provide us all our voice. They’re answering questions which are – don’t have any bearing to actuality all of time about importing voters, about issues with the voting course of, and so they’re having to navigate these whereas they’re additionally nonetheless having to plan for an election that’s probably going to be very excessive turnout, most likely much like 2020, even perhaps increased. Individuals are very on this election.
However they’re prepared. However the most effective issues we are able to do is help them. Is to help them by, as Chris suggests, listening to the precise data. Going to the official sources for actual data. Getting data and making a plan prematurely about how you are going to vote. After which, lastly, one of many issues I at all times encourage, if in case you have any doubts or questions, volunteer to be a ballot employee. You’ll study a lot concerning the course of. One can find out how the method and why the method is so safe. What number of redundancies and checks and balances and items of transparency are in place in that course of that can actually assist your election officers out as a result of then you definately turn out to be an evangelist for our very efficient election system out in the neighborhood.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Chris, we’re seeing extra overseas efforts to meddle on this election. We anticipate, within the coming days, federal officers to file fees associated to the Iranian hack and dump marketing campaign that appears to have been foiled up to now.
CHRIS KREBS Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However try to harm the Trump marketing campaign.
How rather more of that is coming?
CHRIS KREBS: Nicely, my sense, and based mostly on prior expertise, significantly in 2020, the place we noticed the Iranians attempt to meddle in that election, the Russians, the China, you understand, going again to 2016 with the Russians, is that they have a tendency to not simply have a single effort or work stream. There’s an overarching technique, a multi-faceted, multi-pronged marketing campaign that they’ve pulled collectively. We actually know this with the Russians, that there are numerous work streams that they’ve launched towards the U.S. The Iranians very probably have the identical.
So, maybe that is simply the tip of the iceberg. And I’ve – I’ve stated this earlier than. Not all of those actions, these work streams, will likely be profitable or will break by, however the hack and leak marketing campaign particular to Iran. However the – the – the principle level and what I’m observing out of america authorities is that they want to hold fixed strain, constant engagement towards the Russians, towards the Iranians, towards the Chinese language all through the course of this election and afterwards. Keep in mind, we’ve got to run by the tape right here, and that tape is inauguration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. Sure.
And, David, rapidly, it’s unlawful for a non-citizen to vote in a federal election. In some localities they will vote in – in municipal elections. Donald Trump is speaking about this as an actual concern.
DAVID BECKER: Sure, and it isn’t an actual concern. And even Republican states which have seemed into this have discovered extremely small numbers of even potential non-citizens registered. Now we have discovered nearly zero non- residents truly voting. Georgia did a full audit of its record and located zero non-citizens voting. That is as a result of the protections in place are very efficient. We – it is unlawful to – to vote as a non-citizen. ID is required to register to vote. And should you’re a non-citizen and also you register and also you vote, you’ll go to jail and you may be departed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow.
DAVID BECKER: So, it is crucial how efficient these – these deterrence mechanisms are. This isn’t an issue. You may hear that from Republican and Democratic election officers throughout the nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Gents, thanks each.
DAVID BECKER: Thanks, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be speaking quite a bit within the coming months.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Greater than a thousand individuals have been charged within the January sixth assault on the Capitol in what has turn out to be the biggest prosecution in historical past. For tonight’s season premiere of “60 Minutes,” Scott Pelley spoke with the lead prosecutor in cost.
Here is a evaluate.
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SCOTT PELLEY: Democracy stopped for about six hours. The vote was counted at 3:44 a.m. With two weeks till Inauguration Day, it was the Trump Justice Division that set the requirements for the prosecutions. Choices have been made by profession prosecutors who work at Justice for years no matter who the president is perhaps.
MAN: The profession prosecutors rapidly realized that you simply wanted tips in place, determinations about who was going to be charged, who wasn’t going to be charged, and what they’d be charged with. That course of began in January 7, 2021, throughout the prior administration. To today, we proceed to make use of tips that the profession prosecutors put in place throughout the prior administration.
SCOTT PELLEY: And the way do they information you.
MAN: What we’re usually specializing in, of the hundreds of people that you could possibly doubtlessly cost that day, are individuals who truly entered into the Capitol, individuals who engaged in violent or damaging conduct, individuals who illegally carried firearms or different weapons on Capitol grounds, and individuals who helped others to get into the Capitol constructing.
SCOTT PELLEY: You are not charging everybody who was there that day?
MAN: That’s right. Now we have turned down a whole lot of instances the place the FBI is saying there may be proof right here. It is your willpower, prosecutors, whether or not you suppose this must be prosecuted.
SCOTT PELLEY: And why would you flip them down?
MAN: As a result of they do not match throughout the tips that the profession prosecutors have been utilizing, or we do not suppose that there is enough evident to show the case past an inexpensive doubt.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ll be able to watch the complete story and the senior premier of “60 Minutes” tonight proper after soccer.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us right this moment. Thanks all for watching. Till subsequent week. For FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.
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