On this “Face the Nation” broadcast, moderated by Nancy Cordes:
- Anthony Salvanto, CBS Information director of elections and surveys
- Sen. Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida
- Rep. Chrissy Houlahan, Democrat of Pennsylvania
- Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat
- Isaac Herzog, president of Israel
Click on right here to browse full transcripts of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: Our CBS Information polling exhibits new positive factors for Vice President Harris, however what about in these all-important battleground states?
With six weeks to go till Election Day, voting is already underway in a handful of states, and each side are encouraging supporters to get out and vote.
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of america (R) and Present U.S. Presidential Candidate): Take nothing with no consideration. You need to get out and vote.
KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of america (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): The election is mainly right here, and we’ve got work to do to energise, to prepare, and to mobilize.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: However rising issues of overseas interference in our elections proceed to loom over each campaigns.
We are going to ask the highest Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Florida’s Senator Marco Rubio, about it. We may even speak with an ally of Vice President Harris, Colorado’s Governor Jared Polis.
Then: After a second assassination try on former President Trump at his golf membership in Florida, the scrutiny of the Secret Service intensifies. We are going to speak to one of many Democrats on the congressional activity drive investigating each circumstances, Pennsylvania’s Chrissy Houlahan.
Plus: escalating exchanges of fireside between Hezbollah and Israel simply days after Israel carried out a daring assault on Hezbollah by detonating hundreds of pagers and walkie-talkies. Is the danger of wider conflict within the Center East rising? The president of Israel, Isaac Herzog, will be part of us.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
We start at the moment on the presidential race in our new CBS Information ballot, which finds Vice President Harris up 4 factors nationwide over former President Donald Trump.
With rates of interest and fuel costs on the decline, she’s aided partially by some enchancment in views of the economic system. Throughout the battleground states that can probably resolve this election, Harris is up by a slimmer margin of two factors. So this stays a contest that both candidate can win.
For extra, we’re joined now by our government director of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.
Anthony, this can be a outstanding nationwide ballot, as a result of, so far, the economic system has been considered as a headwind for Democrats. That seems to be shifting.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Properly, we noticed a bit little bit of an uptick in voters’ views of how the economic system is doing.
And I ought to say straight away, most individuals nonetheless suppose it isn’t good. However to the extent it strikes in a constructive route, here is the way it connects to votes for Harris. Primary, she wins votes of people that suppose the economic system is getting higher, even when it isn’t good.
She wins the voters who say that their very own funds are doing OK. She wins the votes of people that suppose the economic system itself is sweet. Now, possibly all that is not sudden for anybody from an incumbent celebration. There’s all the time been this type of nature of the occasions dynamic right here the place individuals who say issues are unhealthy, Donald Trump has been benefiting from that, particularly individuals who say inflation is a high concern.
So, net-net, Harris has minimize in to Donald Trump’s margins, nonetheless a bonus, amongst individuals who say that the economic system is the highest concern. Is she ever going to eclipse that? Perhaps, possibly not. However the query politically is, can she do effectively sufficient to maintain this type of very slight edge in what’s, and I received to type of reiterate this, if I can, nonetheless a very shut contest.
As a result of, even if you look state by state, all the things is razor-tight.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: It will probably go both means.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So how a lot did the controversy assist?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Properly, a bit bit by way of firming up help for Harris, within the sense that, on web, voters advised us it made them extra prone to take into account her as in comparison with Trump.
However the individuals who mentioned that had voted for Joe Biden in 2020. They had been already type of Democrats or liberals. So, within the sense that she’s nonetheless making an attempt to form of cement that Biden voters from 2020, that helps. And I ought to add shortly, look, Donald Trump’s help is not going anyplace. The query for him is, can he draw extra voters to him, which does not appear like it is taking place simply but.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So immigration and the border disaster have been a major space of assault by Republicans on Democrats. It actually went again within the highlight after the controversy.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: We checked out whether or not folks thought that these claims about canine and cats being eaten in Springfield, Ohio, had been true. And, by and huge, the voting public says, no, they do not suppose these claims are true. As you recognize, they’ve been debunked.
However for Donald Trump’s voters, there are two-thirds who do suppose that that’s true, these claims are true. They do approve of him making these claims. Now, here is the distinction. For them, for Donald Trump voters, we ask, why do you suppose he made these claims?
And their reply was, they suppose he was making an attempt to lift bigger subjects, elevate bigger points about immigration. And that is one thing we’ve got seen earlier than with Trump’s rhetoric. They could – there’s possibly the literal a part of it, however then there may be additionally what they suppose is chatting with bigger problems with concern to them.
However juxtapose that towards what the broader viewers of voters thought. They disapproved of him making the claims. They thought his intent was to make individuals who had been latest immigrants really feel uncomfortable in these communities.
And so that is the distinction, as a result of – and I’ll type of button up with this – if you have a look at Donald Trump’s voters, do not forget that not solely is immigration a giant concern for them, however their notion of immigrants could be very adverse, frankly.
It’s. They suppose immigrants commit extra crimes. In order that’s been form of underpinning a whole lot of that. And it speaks to that Trump voting base.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is why he revisits that theme all through.
One of many different issues that I do know all of us have been monitoring, you’ve got been actually making an attempt to quantify is the danger of political violence and the help for it on this nation. It was simply final Sunday there was this second try on Donald Trump’s life.
Now, what do you suppose that signifies, if something, concerning the months forward?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Properly, folks suppose that the tone and tenor of our politics has gotten worse. And there’s a substantial a part of the voters that does fear about political violence.
And all sides seems to be type of throughout and says that they suppose violence may enhance if the opposite facet wins. And what’s attention-grabbing about that’s, a whole lot of occasions folks speak concerning the fear if one facet of the opposite loses. However you additionally see this public conception of it as, would that give form of license to the opposite facet in the event that they had been to come back into energy, all of which is to say we do, sadly, see the general public thoughts, the voters feeling like this can be a cloud hanging over the election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: A regarding one.
Anthony Salvanto, thanks.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we flip now to Florida Senator Marco Rubio, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
And he joins us from Miami.
Good morning to you, Senator.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R-Florida): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, I’ve rather a lot to get to with you, however I need to focus in on what you and your committee have been advised.
I do know U.S. intelligence and the FBI mentioned overseas actors are growing their election interference as we get nearer to November. This week, the Senate goes to be briefed in full on this. What is that this state of affairs that’s regarding to you?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I believe it’ll grow to be a truth of life within the twenty first century. It is simply very straightforward now for anybody to do it. You do not have to be a giant nation-state.
In order that they’re form of all totally different. The Russians are , what are the preexisting fractures in our nation? hand then they attempt to sow division, getting us to battle with each other. That is primarily what we have seen them centered on, you recognize, sowing messages on the market, together with with inauthentic issues that they create.
You utilize A.I., you make a pretend video, no matter, you set it on the market, simply to get People to battle towards one another. Within the case of Iran, Iran has – it appears to be extra particularly centered on Donald Trump. I imply, it has been, now publicly documented they’re making an attempt to kill him. And so, if Iran’s making an attempt to kill Donald Trump, they most actually don’t desire him to win the election.
And so that is what their efforts have been, together with tried hack and leak operations and issues of this nature. The Chinese language are actually form of new into this enterprise, or rising into this enterprise of it, they usually appear more and more in some – at the least in previous circumstances that we have seen publicly disclosed going after particular candidates that they view as being anti- China.
I do not suppose they need Donald Trump to win, however I do suppose you have seen them give attention to issues like congressional races prior to now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: And I additionally suppose they’re laying the groundwork for extra expansive operations sooner or later on influencing American public opinion, on issues like Taiwan and what’s taking place within the South China Sea and issues of that nature.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: So, there are a number of actors on the market which might be on this house now, and I believe you may see extra within the years to come back, since you do not actually need, you recognize, to construct something actually costly. You simply want entry to the World Huge Net.
And, you recognize, we’re an open nation, an open society, with open technique of communication. And one of the best ways to take care of all that is for consciousness…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … folks to grasp all the things you see on the Web is not true.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Precisely. That is why we need to discuss it.
Microsoft’s president testified earlier than your committee, and, as he put it, probably the most perilous time is the 48 hours proper earlier than the election. He described this as a race between not simply Trump and Harris, however Iran versus Trump and Russia versus Harris.
Do you suppose america has gotten smarter in the way it responds? And have we realized from what occurred in 2016?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure, so what he alluded to are some cases prior to now the place some pretend audio or pretend video generated utilizing A.I. is put on the market and it influences the election 48 hours.
I believe we’re a bit bit insulated from that, not that we should always let our guard down, however a whole lot of the votes are already in by the point 48 hours comes round. So that does not imply it is irrelevant. In very shut races, it might tip the scales.
I do suppose all the way in which round, here is the underside line. If you happen to see one thing on the market, a video that simply appears means too scandalous, I might pause for a second and be sure that it may be verified. That is my recommendation to everyone is, do not simply imagine one thing you see for the primary time. It could have been one thing that occurred 5 years in the past, they usually’re making it appear like it occurred yesterday.
It could be one thing that – that has been made up…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … utilizing an A.I. mechanism to take action.
And – and so that will be my recommendation to folks as effectively. Once more, I am not saying 48 hours earlier than the election is irrelevant in America. I’m saying it is in all probability much less impactful than it’s in a few of these different international locations, who haven’t got mail voting, early voting, the place so most of the votes are already in by then.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the Biden administration has issued sanctions, warnings, these public disclosures.
Certainly one of them this week was about Iran making an attempt to harm the Trump marketing campaign by hacking and stealing info after which sending it to the Biden marketing campaign. This was just like that hack-and-leak operation disclosed by way of making an attempt to focus on journalists.
And I do know it was broadly reported details about you, sir, was stolen and given to journalists. Are you aware what was stolen?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: No, however I doubt it is something that you just in all probability could not discover with, you recognize, only a search on-line of previous tales which have been written and issues of that nature.
However I – look, I believe you are going to see extra of that within the years to come back. And I do not suppose that the – you recognize, to – credit score to the media shops and so forth. I remind – that did not run with it – I remind everyone, you recognize, again in 2016, when this primary occurred, I mentioned, that is a overseas operation that was used concentrating on the Clinton marketing campaign.
So, that is going to grow to be a kind of issues that’s – I am not saying we ought to be blissful about it or accepting of it, however we should be simply understanding that that is now going to grow to be an everyday characteristic, not simply the presidential races.
Presidential races get a lot consideration that I believe you possibly can wade by a few of that. It advantages from that at the least. However I believe a few of these decrease poll races are those which might be notably extra prone, as a result of, should you’re operating for Congress or Senate someplace, to illustrate a congressional seat, and somebody dumps one thing like this on you, it is a lot tougher to get the reality on the market in time for it to be cleared up.
There simply is not going to be as a lot curiosity, and there is not going to be as a lot folks masking it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, Donald Trump posted concerning the hack-and-leak operation attributed to Iran, however he mentioned it was proof that the FBI was spying on him, after which blamed the vice chairman for spying on him. That isn’t in any respect the case.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure, I do not – no. Properly, once more, I do not know something greater than what’s been publicly reported in relation to that hack-and-leak operation. Maybe we’ll know extra this week.
I – however, once more, it does not shock me that somebody clicked on one thing, they received into your system, they stole paperwork, after which they attempt to give it to the media. And, look, here is what we’ll see in the future. It isn’t simply that they’ll take it and provides it to a marketing campaign or the media.
They are going to give it to any individual, some on-line journalist, any individual who will run with that stuff…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … and can start to report on it, or possibly even alter it, for instance, make up a pretend e-mail the place it seems to be like an actual e- mail, possibly it’s a actual e-mail, however they alter just a few phrases in it and put it on the market.
And by the point you set out that fireside, it is executed harm.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: In a presidential race, everyone will cowl that, and I believe can get to the reality rather a lot sooner. In a downballot race, it’ll be rather a lot tougher for some candidate to show that that e-mail is pretend.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: By the point they do, the election could also be over.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Simply to be clear, although, it was the FBI that publicly disclosed this with the Intelligence Committee as taking place, not the FBI spying on the Trump marketing campaign.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Proper. That is right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are – after we need to discuss threats to Mr. Trump, it was simply final Sunday there was this second near-miss.
There are FBI investigations underway into what occurred right here, however Senator Vance mentioned he does not belief Kamala Harris’s Division of Justice to essentially examine these items. Are you able to guarantee the American those who regulation enforcement is conducting a full and neutral investigation?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, I believe folks on the bottom in regulation enforcement need to accomplish that.
What info is made accessible to the American public, which deserves to know what’s behind every one – not only one however, two assassination makes an attempt of Donald Trump, I believe that is the place this lack of belief in establishments – look, a number of folks within the Federal Bureau of Investigation confronted expenses or had been fired from misconduct in the way in which they dealt with points about Donald Trump simply eight years in the past.
So, I believe individuals are rightful to be suspicious and distrusting, and that is why it is so damaging, for instance, when 51 former intelligence officers, formers, signal a letter saying {that a} laptop computer of Hunter Biden is Russian disinformation, after which it seems to not be true, after which folks logically conclude, effectively, that is an instance of how these companies and our establishments work towards candidates they do not like.
It undermines folks’s belief in our establishments, and that lack of belief is eroded in authorities, within the media, in our companies inside authorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: And, sadly, that is why folks – that is why disclosure and openness almost about these investigations is so vital. It isn’t simply because we need to know.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: It is as a result of it is essential to protect belief in our establishments.
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SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: And we’re not seeing that, extra on the second than the primary, however we have – however, you recognize – however we’re not seeing it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you belief the FBI and might guarantee the general public that they’re investigating these assassination makes an attempt that J.D. Vance says they are not taking significantly?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: I belief rank-and-file in-the-field FBI brokers to do their job.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: I do not know what their management in a few of these companies and the mid-level will do with it, since you’ve seen a historical past prior to now of there being bias.
I hope that is not true.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: And, extra importantly, I do not – I do not – I believe what the actual query is that if, the truth is, they do uncover, let’s simply say – I am speculating. I am not saying I do know this to be true and even that I believe is true.
However to illustrate there’s a overseas nexus to one among these two makes an attempt. Would they permit that info to be put on the market to the American public earlier than the election in November? I am unable to let you know with one hundred pc certainty that there would not be these throughout the company…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ought to they?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure, completely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: I believe that is an essential issue for folks to know.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I needed to ask you about whether or not you’ve got heard or have any info in regard to a overseas nexus in regard to the bomb threats made in Springfield, Ohio.
The governor of Ohio mentioned they’d over 30. And he mentioned the one who made the calls got here from abroad. This was after Trump and Vance put the give attention to Haitian migrants in that city.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure, solely what’s been reported publicly, however that will not be unusual.
For instance, a whole lot of these – these calls the place they name and inform the SWAT staff to go somebody’s home as a result of there is a homicide occurring, a whole lot of these come from abroad as effectively. And, sadly, there are – you recognize, that does not imply it is being directed by a authorities abroad.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: It could possibly be. I have never heard that. However simply because they’re coming from abroad doesn’t suggest a authorities is behind it.
However, sure, we’ve got these sorts of people everywhere in the world that love to do these sorts of issues.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
Properly, right here on this nation, by way of folks being impressed to take motion, we’ve got been wanting, as you heard about, what the notion of the general public is true now, notably a few of the issues that Mr. Trump and Mr. Vance say.
Our ballot exhibits two-thirds of Trump supporters imagine these false and disparaging claims about Haitian migrants are true. The governor of Ohio has mentioned he’s a giant supporter of the ticket, however he is unhappy about this as a result of there is no proof of those claims, he is disparaging migrants who’re authorized, and the verbal assaults dilute and cloud what ought to be a profitable argument for Republicans concerning the border.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you agree that this type of factor is a distraction from the broader level and harmful?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, it should not be a distraction, as a result of, at a minimal, it should not maintain us from, for instance, saying, OK, effectively, possibly I do not imagine I do not imagine the canine and the cats factor, however there are actually folks shifting in by the by the hundreds within the case of Springfield.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Charleroi in Pennsylvania, you recognize, that is a 4,000- particular person metropolis that has 2,500 migrants.
And I believe one of many issues right here is that one way or the other People, who usually are not illiberal, they are not bigots, they are not – however they’re troubled by the truth that their metropolis is being flooded. In Springfield, you see stories, these are reliable stories, of giant will increase in visitors accidents resulting in slower police response time…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … overcrowded colleges, I imply the pressure this places on a group.
And should you complain about it, one way or the other you are a bigot, you are a racist, you are a hater.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No we have talked about these reliable…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: That’s the story right here, that on a regular basis People are being made to really feel like they’re haters as a result of they’re complaining about one thing all – any of us would complain.
If any of us, I do not care who we’re…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … dwell in a metropolis of 4,000 folks, and also you herald 2,500 migrants in a single day into one place, there are going to be issues.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are completely issues…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: And individuals are going to complain. That does not make you a bigot. And that ought to be – that ought to be what we’re centered on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are completely issues that the governor has documented and that we’ve got talked about right here.
Nevertheless it wasn’t on a regular basis folks making these claims. It was the Republican nominee and his vice chairman making these false claims about Haitian migrants, that rhetoric.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Properly, these are claims – no, these are claims that folks – these are claims that folks in these communities made. Perhaps some have now recanted or moved except for it.
However that ought to not take us away from the elemental reality, and that’s, there may be – there are actual impacts taking place if you transfer folks into communities, as has been executed by design, by the Biden administration and permitting folks throughout the border and so forth.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, however you recognize – you are in management. phrases matter.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Sure.
And I believe one of many phrases that ought to matter probably the most is, there’s a actual migratory disaster. There’s a actual migratory disaster, and even on this specific case, not simply Springfield, Charleroi, different locations like that. Individuals are – there are actual impacts taking place in our nation with this motion of mass migration, and that is not gotten the protection that it deserves.
And also you say you have lined it. Others cowl it. Nevertheless it hasn’t gotten the protection. The cats and canine factor has gotten far more protection…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … than the real-world impacts that that is having. And I believe that is what wants to vary in the way in which this concern is roofed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm. We are going to discuss that extra on this program.
Sir, we have to go away it there for at the moment.
Senator Marco Rubio, thanks for becoming a member of us.
We’ll be again in a second.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Thanks.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Democratic Congresswoman Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania. She joins us from New York this morning.
Good morning, Congresswoman.
I do know you might be one of many lawmakers wanting into this near-miss by way of the try on the lifetime of Donald Trump lately and the incident again in July. Did you get the solutions you wanted from Secret Service this previous week?
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN (D-Pennsylvania): And, to begin with, thanks for having me.
And, sure, I am one among 13 members, seven R’s, six D’s, which might be wanting into this specific occasion on July, but additionally the newest one as effectively. Sure, we’ve got been getting the solutions that we have been asking for. We now have been asking for rather a lot out of each the Secret Service, in addition to native regulation enforcement. And I imagine that the solutions have been largely forthcoming.
If, for no matter motive, they are not, the benefit of this specific group is that we’ve got subpoena authority to have the ability to be sure that we get the solutions. It is actually essential that this group works bipartisanly and shortly to have the ability to perceive what occurred, to have the ability to be sure that it does not occur once more, and, to your dialog with Senator Rubio, to be sure that we restore the religion and belief within the – with the American folks within the establishments akin to regulation enforcement and the Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
Properly, Congresswoman, I do know the Secret Service on Friday publicly admitted a few of the failures on their very own half. It was a five-page abstract. However the Secret Service mentioned brokers failed to make use of expertise to detect the attacker again in July as he flew a drone over the rally.
Trump’s element had no concept police had been in search of a suspicious particular person till photographs had been fired, they usually by no means directed native police to cowl a close-by rooftop. Do you belief the present management to deal with very severe points like this?
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN: These are very, very severe points, they usually have come up in our conversations and within the briefings that we have acquired.
And there have been some huge gaps that you’ve got talked about, by way of folks texting info to one another somewhat than utilizing the radio, by way of folks not even understanding that there have been two command facilities. There have been enormous gaps.
And there have been additionally some gaps, frankly, in form of tradition and other people being comparatively lax in the way in which that they communicated with each other. And all of these items must be mounted.
I do imagine that the eye of the group is absolutely on all the various things that they’ll and ought to be doing to be right – to right themselves. I believe, additionally, the eye of the Congress is on them as effectively to ensure they’ve the sources to have the ability to make these corrections as – too.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And I need to speak to you extra about a few of these options on the opposite facet of this business break, should you might stick with us, Congresswoman, so we might end our dialog.
And we’ll be proper again with extra from Congresswoman Houlahan. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: CBS Information will host the primary and sure solely vice presidential debate between Senator J.D. Vance and Governor Tim Walz on Tuesday, October 1.
Be a part of the CBS Information political staff for dwell protection of the controversy. The talk itself shall be moderated by CBS Night Information anchor Norah O’Donnell and myself proper right here on CBS, CBS Information 24/7, and streaming on Paramount+.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We shall be proper again with Congresswoman Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Colorado Governor Jared Polis, and Israeli President Isaac Herzog.
Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We’re persevering with our dialog with Pennsylvania Congresswoman Chrissy Houlahan.
Congresswoman, simply to button up this dialog concerning the Secret Service and political violence proper now. Our newest CBS ballot exhibits Harris supporters suppose the nation will see a better risk of violence if Donald Trump is elected. And Trump backers suppose the nation will see larger threats if Vice President Kamala Harris is elected.
Do you’ve got any concern about rhetoric and with Democrats characterizing Donald Trump as a risk to democracy, do you suppose that can be utilized to justify or inadvertently even encourage violence?
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN (D-PA): Positive. Let’s begin from the start. Political violence of any type is unacceptable, and we is not going to tolerate it. And the Democratic Get together, ranging from the very high, from President Biden, to Vice President Harris, to members of Congress, akin to myself, have decried political violence full-stop.
And it’s a kind of issues the place we actually do must dial down the temperature and the vitriol. And I believe that it is essential that everyone try this. And as you talked about in your earlier phase, it begins on the high. Management issues.
And so each side of the aisle must be sure that we’re being considerate about these conversations that we’re having. However essential to you about me to know is, you and I might probably not be speaking had there not been the primary election of President Trump. And most of the ways in which he conducts himself actually need to be sure that – that we perceive that ought to he return to the White Home, I’m personally involved that that will be an issue for our democracy. However that signifies that I am working exhausting to be sure that I get out the vote and have the conversations to be sure that Kamala Harris is profitable in her efforts to go to the White Home.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And also you mentioned that on this bipartisan investigation you – that could be a focus so that you can just remember to have Republicans and Democrats delivering the identical message. And I take your level there.
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN: Completely. And – precisely. We had been chosen as a result of we’re severe lawmakers. We had been chosen as a result of we are typically these people who find themselves prepared to do the work and to do it quietly and efficient and to do it bipartisanly. And that is what I intent to do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re, as we mentioned, a consultant from Pennsylvania. And the commonwealth is a key battleground. Our CBS polling exhibits it’s simply useless warmth there. However yesterday Senator J.D. Vance was campaigning in Pennsylvania, and he mentioned they really feel extraordinarily good about their prospects there. Do you’ve got that form of confidence?
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN: I’ve – I’ve the other feeling, which as, as I discussed, I – I might not be speaking to you had Hillary Clinton been profitable years in the past. And we had confidence as Democrats that night that Pennsylvania can be blue. And as everyone knows, that wasn’t the case. So, I’ll let Mr. Vance have his confidence as a result of I will maintain working all the way in which into the tip of the election and thru the end line and thru the tape as a result of I actually imagine it is that essential that we take nothing with no consideration and that we work as exhausting as we will throughout this subsequent a number of weeks, I assume, six weeks now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Six weeks. And, you recognize, on that debate stage, I heard Vice President Harris very particularly converse to the five hundred,000 Polish People she mentioned dwell within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And he or she drew that on to her place on Ukraine and the conflict there.
I do know you might be main outreach to Polish People. How do you quantify how that conflict, hundreds of miles away from america, impacts how voters within the state of Pennsylvania really give it some thought? Do you actually suppose that it has an affect on the vote?
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN: I do. And I can draw a straight line to it. My father was born in Poland. He was born in 1942 right into a Jewish household. He and his mom survived the Holocaust. I am right here – I am right here in America as a result of he was capable of survive and got here right here and had a thriving Naval profession. And now I am a member of Congress, one era later.
That’s due to the – the fixed conflict that goes over that a part of our – of our world beginning again within the Huns (ph). And I believe it is actually essential that we speak to the Polish American inhabitants, in addition to everyone from the form of japanese Europe space as a result of it isn’t that way back that World Battle II was, and that’s completely one thing that may repeat itself if we do not help the Ukrainians and we do not help their battle for his or her democracy, which is their battle for all of our democracies.
Additionally importantly as a Pennsylvanian, the Lithuanian Nationwide Guard is our companion nation. And so our women and men are in Lithuania at this second inside hurt’s means if we do not assist Ukraine. So, I do suppose it is completely a difficulty that is sensible and that we should always discuss in locations like Pennsylvania.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. And my producer is telling me it is really larger than half one million, it is 800,000 Polish People.
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN: It’s 800,000. I did not –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow. Sure.
OK. All proper. Thanks.
REPRESENTATIVE CHRISSY HOULAHAN: It is a good quantity, sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It actually looks like that. And the president of Poland visiting the commonwealth at the moment as effectively.
We’ll watch and see how that impacts what your voters suppose.
Thanks, Congresswoman, for becoming a member of us this morning.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Colorado Democratic Governor Jared Polis, who joins us this morning from Boulder, Colorado.
Governor, welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
I do know you might be supporting –
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS (D-CO): A pleasure to be right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Supporting the vice chairman’s bid for the presidency. She is forward by 4 factors, as you heard, in our newest ballot. However that is very tight.
What’s your best space of concern of potential vulnerability right here?
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: Properly, sure, it is – it is – it is neck and neck. And, you recognize, I used to be – I used to be reflecting this morning, you recognize, the following president we elect goes to be president throughout our 250th anniversary as a nation. Our semi quincentennial, a time period we’ll be listening to extra of.
We all know that Donald Trump’s not the person who can unite us and convey us collectively in that thrilling time to rejoice our nation’s previous, current and future. Let’s give Kamala Harris the chance to indicate that she is. I actually really feel that she’s able to unite us. It is neck and neck, and we simply must get the vote out within the states that matter, to have the ability to be sure that we will transfer ahead somewhat than backward as a rustic.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about a few of her financial plans, however first about immigration.
You heard Senator Rubio on this program speak concerning the lack of consideration being paid to immigration and the border disaster. However I do know you, Governor, have been coping with it firsthand.
In Aurora, Colorado, that is been getting a whole lot of consideration from the Trump staff particularly due to members of a Venezuelan jail gang who migrated right here to the U.S. and apparently had been concerned in a taking pictures in Aurora. Throughout the debate, Donald Trump used Aurora for example of a worst of the migrant disaster. That is what he mentioned yesterday.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), (Former U.S. President And 2024 Presidential Candidate): Underneath border czar Harris, Venezuelan gangs have taken over whole house buildings in Aurora, Colorado. The federal government – the governor is petrified in Colorado. He is a liberal governor. He does not know what to do. The man is so scared of those guys, and possibly you possibly can’t blame him.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, I do know native officers arrange a particular activity drive, however how do you reply to this private assault right here?
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: Properly, I – you recognize, I went procuring in Aurora yesterday. I – what a whole lot of People must know is Aurora is a – over 400,000 folks. It is Colorado’s third largest metropolis. Violent crime is down two years in a row. Automobile thefts are down two years in a row. It is a – it is a fantastic metropolis. I am there on a regular basis. It is – it is actually an amazing, numerous metropolis and it is rising quick. It’ll in all probability be the primary or quantity two metropolis in Colorado over the following decade or two.
So, it is an amazing metropolis. It is safer than – than it has been. And, look, it is – like every metropolis, Chicago, L.A., mid-sized cities, Denver. In fact there’s been a difficulty with gangs for many years in Aurora, and I really feel that we have lastly turned the nook. I imply that is the distinction between electing a president that skirts the regulation versus one who’s made a profession imposing the regulation. I imply Kamala Harris is any individual who stared felony enterprises within the face, put criminals behind bars, as district legal professional, and he or she’s going to take that very same perspective to the White Home to make America safer.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the mayor of Aurora has – has acknowledged a particular activity drive was established and – and mentioned they’re working with the federal authorities, it is a regional concern. Ought to – ought to the Harris marketing campaign be speaking about a few of the these actual points and acknowledging them in a means that may assist their marketing campaign as a result of actually the reply is about that failed border invoice on the – in Congress. That is often what the Harris marketing campaign talks about. Ought to they acknowledge extra of the actual points?
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: Properly, I – to begin with, I believe that is a reliable and essential concern to speak about. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress, had an actual invoice earlier than them to make the wanted investments in border safety.
Look, I’ve – I have been all the way down to the border. I’ve – I’ve – I have been at border crossings. We want higher border safety. Kamala Harris will ship on that as a result of it isn’t a easy proposition. It requires funding. Excessive-tech funding. Fencing. Scanning. Extra – extra border patrol brokers, which the invoice would have funded extra border patrol brokers.
So, look, I am assured that Kamala Harris is any individual that can really resolve the border concern somewhat than maintain it going for purely political causes and for dividing us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: We want any individual who’s going to unite us. And, in fact, that features securing our border.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ought to she discuss it extra?
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: Properly, I – look, I imply, I believe she talks about it as – as one of many points. I imply it is – we have to make America safer. We have to safe the border. She had a plan to try this. It was blocked by Donald Trump and Republicans.
So, look, I believe it is an amazing concern for folks to – to run on and discuss. And it is one which Democrats ought to have an enormous benefit on as a result of Republicans have failed time and time once more to safe our border.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask concerning the financial plans right here. Vice President Harris has a proposal to sort out housing affordability, and he or she needs to provide a first-time house purchaser’s down fee credit score of $25,000, along with a $10,000 tax credit score. I do know you see this firsthand, what the disaster seems to be like in Colorado. Are you involved that it will gasoline demand for houses and simply push up costs somewhat than fixing the provision concern?
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: So, that is not the entire plan, proper? That is one plank of the plan. Her plan is targeted on creating over 3 million new houses, decreasing paperwork and crimson tape and making it simpler to construct houses folks can afford. Sure, as a part of that, we would like folks, after they can, to be house owners as an alternative of renters to allow them to construct worth. That is the chance economic system she talks about, proper? Renting a house, a spot to dwell, it is essential. Proudly owning a house, constructing fairness and wealth over time, that is what Kamala Harris believes in.
So, in fact, 3 billion new houses, decreasing paperwork and paperwork, making it simpler to construct is a part of that. Serving to rework renters into house owners is a key factor we should always do to assist make America extra profitable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, that is how you’ll select to resolve it in your state as effectively? You suppose this is able to repair the issue?
GOVERNOR JARED POLIS: Properly, once more, you – sure, you discuss one plank. We’re engaged in very related reforms right here. We have allowed now folks to construct accent dwelling models, mother-in-law flats by proper. We’re doing extra permitting for multifamily, extra inherently reasonably priced housing close to transit.
The toughest form of houses to construct, not simply in Colorado, however this goes in most communities throughout the nation, have been these $200,000, $300,000 starter houses that any individual early of their profession may be capable of make the down fee and afford.
The typical house value within the Denver metro space is now $600,000, and that is nice for many who can afford it. However we want extra houses which might be accessible for buy in that $200,000 to $300,000 vary. That is what we’re centered on in Colorado. We want the assistance nationally. Whoever noticed – you recognize, this takes mayors, governors, presidents all working in the identical route in direction of making housing extra reasonably priced. And that is precisely what Kamala Harris’ plan will do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, thanks in your time this morning.
We’ll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Hezbollah responded to Israel’s strikes by firing over 100 rockets deep into Israel in a single day.
CBS Information overseas correspondent Chris Livesay has the most recent from Tel Aviv.
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CHRIS LIVESAY (voice over): A barrage of Hezbollah rocket and drones pierce the stillness of northern Israel this morning. Israel says most had been intercepted by the Iron Dome defenses, however some discovered their goal, like this strike close to Haifa, which left three wounded and one useless when a teen misplaced management of his automobile. All of it in response to this, an Israeli assault on Friday in southern Beirut that killed high Hezbollah commander Ibrahim Aqil, who shall be buried later at the moment following the funerals of different commanders who died within the strike.
The Aqil strike got here after two days of devastating assaults on hundreds of Hezbollah militants. The Israeli navy says the conflict’s middle of gravity is now shifting north in direction of Hezbollah and away from Hamas.
However Israel hasn’t forgotten about Gaza. At this time, a faculty the place a whole lot had been sheltering was struck west of Gaza Metropolis. This only a day after the Hamas- run well being ministry mentioned a strike on one other shelter turned college left greater than 20 folks useless, half of them youngsters, one among them a pregnant lady. Israel mentioned the college had been was a Hamas command middle.
In a separate occasion, our CBS Information staff in Gaza filmed infants and youngsters injured in a strike on their household house this morning.
WOMAN: In our Al Jazeera workplace in occupied West Financial institution has simply been raided.
LIVESAY (voice over): And within the West Financial institution, throughout a dwell broadcast, Israeli forces shut down the Ramallah bureau of broadcaster Al Jazeera, as a journalist learn the warrant. The Qatar based mostly community is accused of inciting and supporting terrorism.
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LIVESAY: Properly, thus far Israel has not claimed duty for these exploding beepers and walkie-talkies, Margaret. However at the moment, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did say that Israel dealt Hezbollah, quote, “a sequence of blows it couldn’t think about.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: That was our Chris Livesay from Tel Aviv.
We flip now to the president of Israel, Isaac Herzog.
Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
ISAAC HERZOG (Israeli President): Thanks, Margaret. Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. President, within the – prior to now few days Israel carried out a groundbreaking operation towards hundreds of Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon. The U.S. was solely given 20 minutes’ discover forward of time. Since then, Israel additionally carried out a strike in Beirut that killed senior commanders of Hezbollah.
What’s the technique right here, and is Israel making an attempt to escalate right into a full- blown conflict with Hezbollah?
ISAAC HERZOG: Completely not. We didn’t need this conflict. We’re not in search of conflict. This conflict was waged upon us by the proxies of the empire of evil of Iran on October seventh by Hamas and on October eighth by Hezbollah. And ever since, from Lebanon within the north, and, in fact, from Hamas within the south, and everywhere in the Center East, the proxies of Iran are attacking and attacking.
Now, Hezbollah’s been attacking us each day, demolishing Israeli villages and cities. Mainly resulting in the eviction of 100,000 Israelis from their houses. Life has been shattered in our northern border. I do not suppose any American would have accepted it as a – as form of a establishment state of affairs in america. And on the finish, there are issues that should be executed. The responsibility of a authorities or a nation is to maintain its residents and convey them again house.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However on the difficulty of what is taking place within the north of Israel proper now, the White Home argues {that a} conflict in Lebanon isn’t the way in which to carry these 100,000 Israeli again into their houses. They need a diplomatic settlement about that blue line. Do you suppose that the present authorities of Israel needs a diplomatic settlement?
ISAAC HERZOG: We by no means mentioned that we do not need a diplomatic settlement. Quite the opposite, there’s a very in a position American envoy, Amos Hochstein, the president’s adviser, who’s making an attempt to travel between us and the Lebanese. However actually, let’s perceive the state of affairs. When you’re coping with terror organizations, they do not actually give a dam about worldwide affairs. They take hostages, or they fireplace as a lot as they need. They get directions from Tehran. They ship Houthi terrorists to dam the excessive seas. And the price of residing on the earth goes up. That is the tradition of terror.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
ISAAC HERZOG: And it is a terror of jihadists, that means, they do not give a dam about something.
Now, we agree repeatedly to enter rounds of talks. We help and welcome the efforts by america of America and the administration. Really we’re revered tremendously. However on the finish of it, OK, Mr. Hochstein leaves Israel they usually carry on firing and firing. And that can’t go on ceaselessly as a result of our residents should return house as a result of –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
ISAAC HERZOG: The man in Lebanon, Mr. Nasrallah, thinks he – that he needs to hyperlink it to Gaza. And in Gaza, there’s one other arch terrorist, Mr. Sinwar, within the dungeons, who does not need to get to a deal. Refuses to get to a deal. That is jihadism at its finest. And that is what we’re combating.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, that –
ISAAC HERZOG: And I want actually, and say it because the president of Israel formally –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
ISAAC HERZOG: And I say it outright as a result of I do know, we do not need conflict, but when it is waged towards us, we go all the way in which.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, you say you do not need conflict. Mr. President, Israel moved its 98th division to the north of Israel this week. Your protection minister says the middle of gravity is shifting in direction of Lebanon. What’s the intention of these navy strikes if to not put together for conflict?
ISAAC HERZOG: As a result of these guys, who we eradicated on Friday, had been gathering collectively of their – of their house in Beirut, to be able to plan one other October seventh. That – they developed this college of thought, of swarming into Israel, of making an attempt to take hostage, of butchering, raping, burning, abducting.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you’ve got proof? Do you’ve got proof that an assault is imminent?
ISAAC HERZOG: Once more, we’ve got sufficient dangers right here to maintain.
Pardon?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you’ve got proof that there was an imminent assault?
ISAAC HERZOG: So, I am unable to go into all the knowledge itself, however it’s assumed that they had been planning an assault. You see at the moment, this morning, they took out a barrage of assaults on Israeli residents, cities and villages, everywhere in the northern a part of Israel, pounding with enormous bombs and missiles on the northern a part of Israel. Why would any nation settle for it? Why would any respectable nation settle for it? We’re virtually a yr in such a state of affairs over form of a vicious cycle. We need to get out of this vicious cycle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This previous week the AP put out graphic footage shot within the West Financial institution, the place Israeli troopers pushed the our bodies of Palestinians off the roof of buildings there. The White Home says they need an investigation. That that is abhorrent and egregious conduct.
How do you reply to those issues from one among your closest allies, that Israel could also be including to escalation dangers?
ISAAC HERZOG: So, we, in fact, take heed to our closest ally overtly and admittedly. That is – if – if it occurred as reported and it’s below investigation as a result of we’re a nation of the rule of regulation. We are going to, in fact, take all vital motion. We are going to condemn it and use all of the, you recognize, the authorized steps that should be taken towards it. However we’re finding out it, as a result of we’re a severe military and a severe folks and we examine and examine ourselves as a lot as we will.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Earlier than I allow you to go, do you suppose that President Biden’s efforts to barter that hostage deal is simply wishful pondering at this level? Will this be an issue for the following American president?
ISAAC HERZOG: So, really, I might say that I’ve enormous respect for President Biden’s effort. And we help it wholeheartedly.
However because the spokesperson of the Nationwide Safety Council Normal Kirby simply mentioned the opposite day, we aren’t getting any constructive indicators from Hamas in any respect from Sinwar. He is on the market within the dungeons taking, you recognize, I imply no matter we predict in our line of pondering as free, loving nations and peoples, he thinks the opposite means.
However I might say that the – really the decision for the household of countries on this present disaster, which is boiling scorching, is definitely maybe the chance to go ahead and alter the state of affairs by discovering the suitable exit and bringing the hostages again house.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
Mr. President, thanks in your time this morning.
ISAAC HERZOG: Thanks very a lot.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at the moment. Thanks for watching. Till subsequent week, for FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.
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